(06-22-2020 01:54 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  You think of the MSM as journalists?

Yes, I consider a significant portion of the MSM to be journalists. I'm talking less about the people in the studios (many of whom used to be journalists) and more about the people asking questions at briefings, covering major events, doing investigative work, etc.

(06-22-2020 01:54 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  As for the economy, it might(!) be doing better if the Trump response had been 20 days or 20 hours or 20 minutes faster, but I judge Trump's economy on what it was after three years of his leadership. I do not expect perfection from Trump, nor do I believe you would expect perfection from anybody else but Trump. Specifically, I think you would be making all sorts of excuses for President Hillary if the exact same thing was happening with Covid, but starting with a worse economy. JMHO.

I don't understand this argument. Its like trying to ignore the last 6 months of the W Bush administration's economy. Or ignoring the last year of decelerating growth (but still growth) under Obama. Also, I'm still with George that no POTUS should get nearly as much credit (good or bad) for "the economy" as you seem to want to give.