(06-22-2020 12:56 PM)mrbig Wrote:  So you can't articulate anything that could happen with the economy in the next 4+ months that would dissuade you from voting for Trump based on his economic success? Just trying to be clear.

With the economy? No. I don't see the current state of the economy as due to Trump. I look to the state of the economy before COVID.

Now to look to the bigger picture: Is there ANYthing that would make me choose to NOT vote for Trump, as was my action in 2016?

Sure. Direct, incontrovertible evidence of malfeasance and corruption. So far, we are much closer to that for Biden than trump, IMO. But yeah, all the unlikely and improbable stuff the left has spent years and millions in trying to pin on him - and failed. The stuff that leftist icon Schiff said was in plain view, right there on the table.

Now to the biggest picture: Is there ANYthing that would make me vote for Biden.
Maybe. Exposure of the RNC as a Nazi Russian agency might do it. The discovery that Biden is actually the Second Coming might. A brain tumor might.

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(06-22-2020 10:41 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Uniguely horrible, I think, in this instance means impolite. He is a rather direct person, I agree. He say what he thinks and doesn't disguise it for the media. I think direct is preferable to sneaky, like most standard politicians.

If I meant impolite, I would have written impolite. I may not have tanq's vocabulary, but give me some credit. I think his response to the coronoavirus has been significantly worse than the vast majority of presidential republican primary candidates (over the past 3 or 4 elections) would have been if they were president. Same for the response to BLM/police use of force protests. Same with regard to his disdain for the free press. Same with his trampling of many norms. Just my opinion, but that is why in my opinion he is uniquely horrible on substance.

You seem to have the free press confused with the MSM. Actually, I think free press better describes the Fox and Friends you so heartily disapprove of solely on the basis of what you hear from others.

Trump uses Twitter so that what he says does not have to pass through the filter of a biased media.

Trampling of norms - isn't that what a previous presidential candidate called "change"? Lots of people in this country want change - just not always the same "from this" to "this".

I think the Civil rights Act trampled a lot of norms.

I said "impolite" because we so often hear from the left that he is horrible because of the way he spoke to (________________), or because of what he said to (____________________________) or about (____________).

I would not mind a president who was more judicious in his speech. I would very much mind a President who was more judicious in his speech while vigorously pursuing the wrong goals, in the wrong way, with the wrong people.