(06-22-2020 05:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 01:19 AM)mrbig Wrote:  The one point I would make is that I often found the tone and substance of many of the arguments made here by the “non-Trumpbots” to be indistinguishable from the MAGA-hat wearing crowd or the Fox and Friends folks. So I understand At Ease’s confusion. I guess this is the time where it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck but is actually a zebra. I found this to be particularly true during discussions about impeachment, Kavanaugh, Charlottesville/very fine people, And a few other topics. It is amusing how offended you all seem by the suggestion that you are Trump supporters. Trump’s silent majority I guess.

You do understand that pro-trump and anti-democrat may often sound the same way right?

Yes ... and I am sure everyone else here does as well. We aren't idiots.

(06-22-2020 05:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Right now, virtually every issue position that your party stands for is a drop-dead show-stopper for me.

What is interesting about the specific issues I mentioned is that none of them would have changed any balance of power in the government or policy if they had gone against Trump. If Kavanaugh is rejected ... he is replaced by another conservative nominee. If Trump is impeached ... he is replaced by a conservative VP. The Charlottesville thing was just a lot of ugliness. Yet I think all 3 most frequent libertarian posters here were on Trump's side for all 3 (quite vociferously, may I add). Same thing with CDC funding/NSC global pandemic team discussions during the early covid-19 discussions. It isn't just that you are on the pro-Trump side of the equation for some of these issues ... it is that you are on the pro-Trump side of all of them and quite vociferously and making the same arguments in tone and substance as Fox & Friends (on most of them at least, granted this is just based on clips of Fox & Friends, I don't actually watch).

(06-22-2020 05:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  You and many others on the left constantly mis-attribute the motivation of many of us. I don't like Trump, but I don't hate him nearly as much as I hate the democrats.

Trump seems to have a lot of hate too. Maybe we found the common demoninator?

(06-22-2020 05:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I disagree with Trump on many issues, like the tariffs and the wall. But given a choice between the wall and open borders, I'll live with the wall. And I would prefer a consumption tax, which would have a similar effect on imports, to tariffs.

OK, I can play this game. I disagree with Joe Biden on plenty of issues as well (which is why he was like my 6th or 7th choice out of the dems running), but I don't go around pretending that I'm not pro-Biden in the upcoming election and patting myself on the back about it.

(06-22-2020 05:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What you fail to grasp is how disgusting and despicable I find the democrats to be. However much you hate Trump, I dislike democrats more.

Again, lots of hate. Lots of the strongest Trump supporters seem to have ... [checks news over last 4 years] ... lots of hate. It is the tie that binds. Also, it feels like you have written this exact thing 5-10 a week for the last 8-9 months I have been around here. I think we all get it. You hate hate hate democrats and liberals and progressives so much more than anything else. Message received.

(06-22-2020 05:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But he is definitely the lesser of evils to me.

Glad you believe he is evil. I eagerly await you siding with the left on a single argument that Trump is just a grotesque human being.

(06-22-2020 05:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I don't know why I have to keep explaining this.

You actually don't, you repeat yourself a lot.