(06-09-2020 04:03 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-09-2020 02:56 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-09-2020 02:36 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-09-2020 02:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-09-2020 01:28 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Yes, you wax eloquently about all the horrible and painful 'issues', and cry forlornly about the 'systemic problems', and when actual numbers pop forth all you do is a cheap vaudeville version of a tap dance.

Maybe instead of the opinion articles, and the loaded language you seemingly have an ending fing supply of, perhaps you address something a little more objective in nature. You know, kind of the way you ran away from ever commenting on 'systemic issues' and 'systemic problems' in the first instance.

I mean, seriously, even you have a fairly substantial stick up your ass about the issue of *any* "[X] Lives Matter" when [X] != Black. Funny that.

I don't have a stick up my ass about it. I am aware, though, that many black people find the term "All Lives Matter" dismissive to their plight.

Quote:Using your 'logic' many Hmong should be equally as incensed at the proposition of any "[X] Lives Matter" when [X] != Hmong.

Or more starkly, Hispanics should go through the fing roof under your logic with the proposition of any "[X] Lives Matter" when [X] != Hispanic.

I guess when you feast on the bull**** proposition that Blacks are suffering the jackboots of systematic oppression, I just might agree with your thought smorgasbord. But I have yet to see the evidence of the amazing and overriding steel cold oppression that sits at the core of your thesis (theology).

Did you read the article or nah?

How to you accurately quantify police mistreatment of black people?

And, once again, please particularize your grandiose allegation of 'police mistreatment of black people' perhaps?

I mean, you are supposedly a smart guy, Rice, yada yada yada. You do know the difference between 'generalized grandiose and conclusory statement' and 'put up something that backs that generalized grandiose and conclusory statement', right? Hopefully?

I mean, you have run the hell away in every instance from actually identifying *anything* regarding your previous statements on 'systemic blahbitty blah blah blah' and now replace it with an equally gossamer construct. Good job there '93.

Krist on fing cracker.

Quote:How do you quantify episodes similar to this morning's "cartoon"?

Uhhh... as vignettes. Proof by vignette falls horribly short of proof. That should be a basic logical construct. Apparently not.

Quote:Do you think that the mistreatment of black people is in America's rear-view mirror?

Perhaps not. But it certainly doesnt live up to the jackboot of total oppression that you make it out to be. Let me restate -- not up to the vacuous, glossy, and gossamer wisp that your persistent and continued conclusory statements do. Of course, you offer no objectivity to the your 'statements', yet are perplexed when there is a stated disbelief or statements that are critical over the bald and conclusory statements that seem to be your only form of sustenance in this issue.

If all you can state is nothing more than such issues, then hide behind those very non-substance bearing and conclusory statements -- your actions are nothing more than preaching.

Wait... you want me to prove that black people are negatively affected by racism in 2020?

Do you want to look at health outcomes of black versus white Americans? Even when stratified by income? The infant mortality rate of black kids versus white kids?
Maternal death rate?

Proof of 'rampant racism'? Seriously?

Quote:How about the rate that black people are imprisoned for drug-related crimes relative to the rate of white people convicted of similar crimes?

Proof of racism, or proof of a disparity of lawyering there?

Or better yet, you neglect the other categories of offenses in your cherry pick there. If you bother to look at 'all offenses' (that is including violent, property, drug, and weapon) whites are just as likely to receive incarceration than blacks. What is so fing special about 'drug offenses' and blacks, that is, aside from that being the major category out of whack? Please do tell....

Quote:Once out of prison, the rate of call-backs following job interviews for a black person with a criminal record relative to the rate that a white person with a criminal record?

'Once out of prison' --- for what mind you? You are aware that blacks have much higher rates of arrests and convictions for violent crimes and homicides, right? That probably has *nothing* to do with htat, because the only fing qualifier you put out there is 'once out of prison'. Yeah, I can see a real issue between a callback for a gangbanger/murder/armed assault and one for a forger. Your little qualifier there kind of glosses that over into oblivion, doesnt it?

Quote:Housing? How about the some mortgage programs used to be restricted to white applicants

Please do tell which mortgage programs are restricted to white applicants. Kind of been against Federal law for, oh, only about 40 fing years.

Quote:How about segregation, redlining, and laws that upheld housing discrimination?

See above.

Quote:Education? Do you think we have an equal public school setup for black versus white children?

Again, you seemingly conflate *anything* with a racial element to *proof* of racial discrimination -- invidious racial discrimination.

Funny, last I noted public schools are a construct of highly localized administration. You have great proof in inequities in the abilities of school administrations. That does not equate to proof of invidious racial discrimination.

Currently, your list is a grab bag of things that you *really* want to be about systemic racial discrimination, but really dont make the fing mark. That is the problem with argument by grab bag ****.

Quote:Do black kids often have teachers that look like them?

Proof of rampant systemic discrimination? get fing real. Since you asked this rhetorical question, perhaps you can do something that you have utterly failed to fing do since this came up --- perhaps educate us on how many black kids have teachers that look like them, then please do tell us what the **** that has to do with systemic racial discrimination.

Quote:How about the unequal way that punishment in schools is delivered?

Any sort of control on the unequality? Or is this just another grab bag of disparate items that you are clutching at? Maybe the unequal rates in punishment follows the national rates of convictions of violent crimes, that is, as opposed to some white cracker getting his jollies by spanking little black kids on an exlcusive basis.

Maybe it is an issue tied the absolute overloaded presence of fatherless households in the balck community, that is, one seemingly that is the black community's onus to fix. Naahhh, cant be that.

A black kid being more likely to be suspended at school for the same offense that a white kid committed? You're going to throw out fatherless black families to explain that one? I don't really follow that logic.

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Quote:How about being charged higher interest rates for loans despite the same income/credit scores as a white person?

How about the concept that a loan risk is tied to the security that lendee can show? *That* is simple gd economics.

Quote:How about falling asleep in the college commons and waking up to the police standing over you because somebody called them?

How about falling asleep on the side of the road in a Camaro and having the cops roust that person. Glad to know that is objective proof of systemic racism. Maybe you should tell Officer Torres that that cracker peckerhead was me. Want his number so you can preach that act of racism to him?

Ummm... that's not even remotely the same thing but cool story, bro.

Quote:That **** happens all the time to people of all races, mind you. But in your simpleton grab bag throw everything against the wall style, I am sure that precludes that answer.

Got it. No significant racism in America, then. You have the right to your own opinion. Black people have nothing to complain about these days which I guess is why "Black Lives Matter" is so offensive to you. It also helps explain why you seem surprisingly concerned that white people's feelings are not being adequately considered in the discussion of race in America.