(06-09-2020 10:50 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-09-2020 10:46 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-09-2020 10:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-09-2020 10:10 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-09-2020 09:57 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  not sure your point on the end - only poor people are blessed? Yes, I think we all all blessed in various ways and to various extents. I guess you will have to explain to me how "all lives matter" is a reprehensible statement.



We are going back to different points in time. I keep going back to his initial interview after his first sit-out.

https://www.businessinsider.com/colin-ka...hem-2016-8

I can only speculate how/why this have evolved from "oppressive country" to "police brutality". But it did. Why did it not evolve to "discrimination in lending"? Why did it not become "redlining"? Why not even "discrimination in policing"? And why are other forms of discrimination ignored in the protests against PB? Do you not care about discrimination in hiring?

But if you want to focus on later interpretations of what "oppressive country" means, that is your right. I will continue to focus on the original.

Look at what he said in the initial interview:

Quote:To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.

You think that isn't related to police brutality?

Then look at all the evidence I provided from a more in-depth interview the VERY NEXT DAY where he talked in length about police brutality.

You're literally putting your fingers in your ears to try and maintain your position.

As you are. Do you not hear a thing I say in your efforts to make me clean?

If it is JUST about police brutality, then all the other possible forms of discrimination are of no importance? Where are the protests against hiring practices?

But I think the PB is overblown. We get the focus on the dozen or so worst case annually, which represent an astronomically small percent of all police/civilian interactions. Does it occur. yes. Is it a systemic problem, whatever that means today? No. Is it the poster boy for a problem that is minimal. yes.

You can, and will present cases of police malfeasance. Others can and will present cases of police being murdered. Which one represents the norm?

Neither.

Near as I can tell, the narrative you want me to embrace is that this is an oppressive country, where daily, coast to coast, police are beating up and killing black people, just because they hate them, because police departments only hire racists.

Not buying it. Try to repackage if you want to continue your sales pitch.

No, the narrative I want you to embrace is NOT that.

I want you to embrace the fact that Kaepernick had been protesting PB from the start. I'm not arguing if it was the only issue, or if it should be the only issues. Just that your repeated stance that it was not part of his protest, from the start, is wrong.

The narrative I was asking about was the more universal one that is fueling these protests/riots/looting. So, at the macro level, is that the narrative you accept and that you want me to accept?

On the micro level, the words "police" and "brutality" did not appear in his initial interview. It certainly has evolved since then, and I think I know why.

But I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

But we were specifically focusing on Kaepernick.

Don’t move the goal posts/topic.

Kaepernick makes protest always included PB, and posts saying they didn’t are factually incorrect. Is it that hard to admit that you were misinformed?

Remember, this is what you posted:

Quote: So the kneeling has not been about police brutality - it had been about Kaepernick's perception of this country as oppressive. A perception I disagree with. Police brutality has become a vague bogeyman to excuse it. I hold to the original intent. I oppose police brutality - but I will not kneel in support of a false narrative.