(06-08-2020 06:39 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 03:35 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 03:14 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 03:02 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 02:54 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  From the man who suggested Kaepernick kneel:


https://www.npr.org/2018/09/09/646115651...ake-a-knee

If you weren't aware, Nate Boyer is a former Green Beret.

I don't think this is an oppressive country. Do you? I do not agree with this statement:
I'm not going to stand for the flag of a country that oppresses black people and people of color.

when I stand I am protesting kaepernick.

Do you stand, kneel, sit, lie down, whatever during the anthem? And why?

I think there is racism in this country that has yet to be eradicated.

I would agree. There are definitely a small set of ******* whites who 'just dont like mud people' (see Charlottesville).

And there are definitely a group of blacks who hate whites because they are white (see the fundraiser I went to three months ago and the raging polemic from one of the speakers about, and I quote, the 'white devil, and the the 'white scourge'.)

Do you think that, in general, some black people's racist attitudes towards white people are as significant as some white people's racist attitudes towards black people? Do you think those attitudes have historically caused an equal amount of damage in either direction?

I'm not sure why, in a discussion of racism towards black people in America, do you bring up the fact that some black people are racist towards white people? This barely seems relevant.

Quote:And I hate to tell you, there will always be some who believe that. No matter how double bad ungood you make it, or no matter how maoist one becomes in even noting it.

Bummer.

Difference is that I see it as a sporadic issue, that came from raging wildfire. You call it a 'systemic issue' and a 'systemic problem'. You know, those terms that you toss around like confetti but never bother to discuss.

You think racism in America is not that big a deal these days. I disagree. Lots of people agree with me. I imagine plenty of people agree with you.

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Quote:Some on your side have said in this forum that racism used to be a problem in the US but it isn't any more.

Perhaps you misunderstood, or perhaps you deliberately upgraded. Let me help you state it a little more accurately:

"Some on your side have said in this forum that racism used to be a pervasive, heavy handed, and systemic problem in the US."

There, I have changed it to more accurately note the issue over your polemic. And I would agree that that statement is very true.

To continue you finish: "but it isn't any more." There we go. Now that that strawman **** is out of the way, maybe there is a discussion there.

Arrrghh! Don't make me pull up that quote. Was it Owl#'s? Maybe OldOwl? I don't want to take the time to find it but I think I quoted it accurately. It wasn't you. I don't think you need to clarify it for the author. They were very clear.

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Quote:I disagree with that sentiment.

Yes, your continued painting with the grandiose terms of 'systemic issue' and 'systemic problem' indicates that. It is underscored by the continuous manner in which you refuse to answer for your own words in any way, shape, or form.

Quote:I stand for the flag and the national anthem but I don't think less of those that take that moment to draw attention to their cause. I don't think kneeling "disrespects" our country. How many people in America were thinking about they way that the police treat black people before Kaepernick started kneeling?

I am glad that Kaep kneels for 9 people. Helluva guy. Maybe he should kneel as well for the other 19.

You should go back and read his statements. Maybe read Kareem Abdul Jabbar's opinion piece in the LA Times. This protest is not solely about the police killing black people.

Then what the hell is the 'systemic issue' that you bandy about like a sparkler at a Fourth of July carnival?

Note very specifically how the life of a black in the United States is so amazingly horrendous, and chock full of systemic racism?

And, as to your last sentence, it sure as fk better not be about 'police killing black people.' The objective numbers dont support that rather crappy canard, do they?

I do find it interesting that you never bothered to comment on the issue of 9 deaths as being a vacuous part and parcel of this 'thing of ours' playing out in the street. Are you saying that that amazing number *is* a significant basis for the protests?

Or is 9 deaths so horrendous that it should be demonstrated on?

Hate to tell you, 9 deaths is an objective number. Perhaps you should actually deal with it cogently at some point.

To your edit: fine as an opinion piece. Doesnt go anywhere as to the issue of whether there is systemic racism in policing, nor is it objectively persuasive. Perhaps the fact it is on the opinion page is a clue.