(06-04-2020 05:09 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 03:52 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 03:31 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 11:25 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 11:15 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  So the tactic in this post is to question OOs bona fides on opining on 'the current experience of inner city black males'.

Considering your unabashed and unqualified assertion of deep systemic issues on that very same topic, the natural qestion arises of what the hell are yours to do the same exact thing?

See my answer above. I don't position myself as an authority on the experience of black males in the inner-city.

OO basically said... "Trust me on this... police brutality is not that bad these days" and I wondered how he knows because I would imagine most of us (me included) on this forum have very little insight into that particular topic.

Yet you still note what "systemic" problems exist. Same assertion by you rotated 180 degrees.

Thus the comment.

Got it. Sure... I have an opinion as to whether police brutality is a problem for the black community. I think everybody here has an opinion on this.

OO said, "Police brutality is rare these days. I remember when it wasn't. Take my word for it, things have changed." When he said, "Take my word for it," it made it seem that he had some additional insight beyond the rest of our experiences.

Now I am understanding that we should take his word for it because he applies a thoughtful analysis to issues whereas Lad, AtEase, Big, and I do not. Some would say that his attitude is condescending but I just feel lucky to have the benefit of his careful analysis on this forum.

Put your britches back on there cowlad.

I accord OOs opinion as OOs opinion. You jump back as 'how do you know anything on how black people feel.' An honest comment on a broad opinion.

Huge stretch from "You seem to claim special insight into police brutality in the black community... please explain how that is so."

But we know that you like to make our comments hyperbolic and then respond to the hyperbole.

Quote:Yet earlier you wax eloquently about 'systemic issues. '

Note that yours is also a broad based somewhat vacuous opinion.

Given your previous ctow of such a similar broad based opinion, your demand for such a justification seems so what shallow and hypocritical.

Except that he seemed to claim expertise whereas I did not? I certainly didn't tout my connections/friendships in the black community. OO asked me where I was getting my insight into the black community to help me form my opinion.

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Are we straight now?

I hope so.

Quote:Care to comment on your assertion of systemic issues in light of the extremely low numbers provided by #s?

I haven't had time to dive into the studies that are out there. Did #'s post a link to the study that he was using? There seems to be a bunch of information out there and I'm sure either side could find bias in many of those studies. Different approaches abound... do you use rate of shootings per population or per police encounter. Do we think that non-shooting brutality is somehow reliably reported in order to have good data?

Here's one that came up recently on a quick Google search:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020...force.html

I'm happy to comment on it when I have real time to look at it. Hopefully #'s already posted the link to his study.