(06-04-2020 04:08 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  #s
Thanks for posting the objective #s on the use oc lethal force. That was the subject i was trying to steer this with my question that was never answered by our resident progressives.
Those numbers are far from indicative of the flyby pass off of a 'systemic problem. I note the absolute sound of crickets from our left leaners here on that very major difference between their sweeping assertions and vague and gossamer hand waving as such a major impactful problem.
I see 93 bactracking from his comments re the broad 'black community' view to 'the number of blacks whom he speaks with on this, however few or many that is'. Without any comment on the quite small number you mention.
And lad has dimply blipped over the mention of this number.
Yep, quite an eye opening number note. Not anywhere near endemic, nor pervasive, let alone the favorite buzzeord of "systemic" that is tossed about with more ghzn than a little bigor by some here.

Happy to oblige.

By saying that it's not widespread, I don't mean to make light of the problem, because there are some bad cops out there. Somebody killed those 235 black people, and they weren't all justified. There has to be a viable way to get rid of bad cops, and the officers themselves need to realize that and want it.

I also think more needs to be discussed about the difference in attitudes. Us white folks raise our kids to trust and respect police. Black kids grow up with more of a distrust and resist attitude. That point has been brought home to me repeatedly by several independent experiences over the last couple of years, no need to repeat them now. But if you have two citizen-police encounters, and in one the citizen respects and trusts the officer, and in the other the citizen distrusts and resists the officer, it's not hard to figure out that they're going to end differently.

There have to be more channels opened for communication between police and people of color. Officers need to go to schools, they need to present to civic organizations, and special events need to be conducted. Officers and the community need to get to know each other as friends.

Finally, I think the key to addressing this and a number of other problems is getting back to two-parent families. The programs to aid single mothers need to be revamped so they do not encourage father flight, but rather reward staying together in two-parent families. When I was a youngster, one thing that always made a huge impression on me was just how strong the black families that I knew were. The Great Society killed that. Getting back to that would be a huge step in the right direction.

As far as questioning OO's credentials to talk about how things are better now, consider this. OO grew up hispanic in the Valley. He, his family, and his friends knew how bad it could be then. He knows it is better there now. And I think it's entirely reasonable to infer that the same changes that have made it better for browns in the Valley have made it better for blacks in inner cities.