(05-28-2020 11:09 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 10:34 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 09:30 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 09:04 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Man, that gun control is really working
Glad I live in rural Texas, where most people have guns but rarely use them on each other.

You are surely aware of the issues in Chicago with tight Illinois gun laws and loose gun laws in close-by neighboring states. This has been discussed ad nauseum any time gun violence in Chicago is brought up so I'm going to assume that you're just trolling here.

So, hypothetically the USA enacts strict gun control laws but Mexico doesn't (or is at least lax in enforcing them). How does your analogy apply?

You'd have a problem with people trying to smuggle guns in across the border, similar to drugs. The size of the problem would be the question, and if demand would be similar to what it is with drugs.

So what's the reason for Chicago to blame its problems on Indiana? Seems to me that if Indiana were the problem, then Indiana would be having even higher rates of gun crimes. The bottom line is that strict gun controls don't work and have never worked.

And don't give me UK or Australia for counter-examples. Both of them had extremely low rates of gun crime before their gun control laws. So low in UK that Bobbies were historically unarmed. Their rates have actually gone up slightly since they passed strict gun controls, and at least some Bobbies are now armed as a result. As for Australia, yes their rates went down in the 20-odd years since they passed the law--at exactly the same rate that they declined in the 20-odd years before the passed the law. In other words, the law appears to have had zero effect.

The bottom line is that the worldwide trend has been pretty clear. Places with low rates of gun crime before passing gun controls kept those low rates after passing such laws. Places with high rates of gun crime before passing gun control laws kept those high rates after passing such laws, or saw them increase. There is no instance of a cliff fall off as a result of passing gun control laws. There just isn't.