(02-03-2020 03:55 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 11:29 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I can agree with your last sentence, but I find the actions of Democrats and their leaders to be orders of magnitude worse. When you can point o investigations and impeachments, false dossiers and lying to FISA courts, call me back. But the frustrating thing is the blind insistence by your side that the problems with Democrat actions are orders of magnitude less.

I'll just reiterate the same point I made in response to 69/70/75. This one is very subjective. You think Pelosi and Schumer are worse. I think McConnell is worse. Hard to find objective evidence. At one point (maybe a month ago) I provided a list of bipartisan legislation that passed the house and McConnell refused to bring up for a vote (because he knew it was highly likely to pass). I believe at the time I asked if any of the conservatives could provide a similar list of bipartisan legislation that Pelosi or Reid/Schumer killed and I don't think any of the conservatives got back to me on that.

I find it equal parts amusing and confusing that some of the conservatives here go out of their way to proclaim that they are not Republicans, but then proceed to parrot the Fox News talking points on impeachment and investigations. I think Trump should be impeached over his conduct regarding Ukraine. I also think that if Democrat did something similar, he/she should be impeached. If Buttigieg asked China for dirt on the Trump family and offered future trade benefits if he gets elected in return, I would be horrified and support his immediate impeachment if he was elected. So I guess at least I'm not a hypocrite.

As for your other Fox News talking points, the FISA stuff isn't really a partisan issue. Law enforcement overreach is not an issue that I believe favors one party or ideology over the other. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem. Remember, part of the reason Comey announced the re-opening of the Clinton email investigation 1 week before the election is because there were rumors that DOJ employees in SDNY were going to leak the story. Rudy Giuliani basically admitted as much just before the Comey announcement:

Quote:On Oct. 25, 2016, three days before Mr. Comey’s stunning announcement, Mr. Giuliani appeared on a Fox morning television show.

“We got a couple of surprises left,” Mr. Giuliani said.

He chortled, and when asked to expand on the subject, replied, “And I think it’ll be enormously effective.”

On Thursday, Oct. 27, Mr. Giuliani appeared on another Fox show and said he was talking about “pretty big surprises.” He added, “We’ve got a couple of things up our sleeve that should turn this thing around.”

The news of the reactivated email inspection arrived the following day and may have helped propel Mr. Trump closer to the presidency.

I find this very insulting. Odd coming from the guy who complained about civility. Well, not really, considering the Democratic Double Standard.

Yes, I try to set the record straight. I am not a Republican, a word that when you use it, sounds a lot like leper or nazi. I am a conservative, and support issues i believe in and when called upon to vote, vote for the lesser evil. I have, over nearly seven decades, and through my experiences in business, experiences which you do not share, and through my experiences with Mexico and the Border, experiences which you do not share, come to certain conclusions about certain things. That is what I believe: therefore it is what I am. Over the course of my life, I have moved left to right. I still hold a lot of my old liberal viewpoints - like equal rights for all sorts of people. Lots of things that people in other parties support that I don't like, including the Republican and Libertarian parties. I am not a party animal, certainly not to the extent you are. I wish the Libertarians were mainstream - they would get a lot more of my support. But in most cases, I think throwing my vote to a minority party just helps the greater evil party. Twice since Carter have I not voted for the Republican for President - once I voted for a Democrat, once I voted for nobody. How diverse have your presidential votes been?

I have also, many times, told everybody here of the several diverse sources of news and commentary I listen to. Sorry you only heard the one.

A few questions:

On what basis do you think a thoughtful conservative could not come to certain conclusions without listening to Fox News? Many of my ideas were formed long before Fox News existed. Maybe they are parroting me. I do change, when presented with a thoughtful case that changes my thinking.

On what basis do you link Fox News to the Republican party?

I think your very use of the phrase "Fox News Talking Points" shows that you are brainwashed beyond redemption.


Might as well debate religion with a street corner Bible thumper. Mind set in concrete.

Well, thanks for an entertaining few months.

Sorry, Big, I thought you could be somebody I could talk with. My mistake.

Good luck to you and your family. Hope your daughter sells all of her Girl Scout cookies.