(01-27-2020 12:33 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(01-27-2020 12:15 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-27-2020 11:37 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 10:41 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The part I was responding to was 'I disagree with every word you wrote' to OO... because I don't really think you do.

I disagreed with every sentence of that single post by OO, the comment was limited to that single post of his.

So replacing the word 'entirely' with 'overwhelmingly', you don't think the Democratic Party's overwhelming goal is to defeat Donald Trump?

I think it's so overwhelming that its indistinguishable from 'entirely'... They only differ in who or what replaces him

I was responding to this post from OO:

(01-24-2020 02:45 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  1 The only reason for this 2020 impeachment is to try influence the 2020 election.

2 There will be a need for another quick impeachment before the midterms in 2022, again for political reasons. 3 It's a dead solid perfectly sure thing if they win the Senate, scaling back to 90% if they don't. 4 The entire Democratic party existence now is based on beating Trump. 5 I don't know if the Dems will let it rest after two failed impeachments 6 They might be willing to let it go because he cannot run again in 2024. 7 Maybe then they will leave the selection of a President in the hands of the voters. 8 But they seem to know nothing else to do.

9 AOC will be the Dem candidate in 2024. 10 I wonder who the Republicans will run?

So by sentence:
1 - I don't think the only reason for impeachment is to influence the 2020 election. To the contrary, I think the reason the Dems as a party did not start impeachment over anything until Ukraine is because they did not want impeachment to fire up Trump's base heading into the 2020 election. Sure, there were a few prominent Dem politicians talking about impeachment early and often. I also believe the majority of dem politicians sincerely believe Trump's handling of Ukraine in 2019 was impeachable conduct, which is why they are doing it regardless of whether it helps or hurts politically.
2 - disagree
3 - disagree, unless there is some major development or new thing that they honestly believe a number of republican senators would flip because of
4 - disagree. It is about beating Trump's policies and his attitude toward the rest of the world, which isn't limited to Trump since it has largely been embraced by the Republicans in DC.
5 - completely speculative opinion with which I don't agree because I don't agree with the underlying premise
6 - disagree, I think his inability to run in 2024 has no bearing on a 2nd hypothetical impeachment
7 - they did this in 2016 and the voters gave Clinton 2.9 million more votes. most likely the 2024 election will still be in the hands of the electors from the electoral college who are elected by the voters, rather than the voters directly electing the president.
8 - Democrats did well in the 2018 midterms running mostly on healthcare, suggesting they know something else to do
9 - disgree
10 - I guess technically I can't disagree with a question. I am also curious.

1- If the reason is not remove him, what are the reasons? FTR, I don't believe in the purity of the Democrats.

2. I said before the midterm elections, when they can hope that 2/4 of the Senate and all the House can benefit from a tarring of the President and his supporters.

3. I think they will claim a new thing. They need a reason, no matter how flimsy.

4. I am basing this of the need to beat Trump as evidenced by polls and candidate statements.

5. I guess we shall see.

6. I guess we shall see.

7. Impeaching the winner is not leaving in the hands of the voters.

8. so what else are they doing? Not much

9. JMHO. But with socialist stalwarts like Sanders and Warren aging out of the picture, it is reasonable to suppose a newly eligible AOC will inherit their support.There is 40+% right there.

10. Yes, I wonder.