(01-22-2020 05:03 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-22-2020 04:43 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(01-22-2020 04:37 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-22-2020 04:14 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-22-2020 04:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Here is a thought experiment I saw elsewhere, and would like one of our leftward brethren to take a stab at:

Let's pretend that Joe Biden had a different name. No, better: Let's pretend that Joe Biden had a different letter after his name. Let's pretend he's Joe Biden ®, former vice president under George W. Bush.

In that case, what would the Democrats be doing differently?

Is he running for office this year?

With respect to impeachment, THE issue is that Trump only pressured Ukraine because Biden is likely to be his opponent in the election.

Between testimony during the impeachment hearings (like the testimony that made it clear the Biden angle was a personal/campaign matter and not official US policy), Trump's lack of significant anti-corruption effort in Ukraine (his admin has cut Ukrainian anti-corruption funding), and Trump's lack of significant anti-corruption efforts at home and abroad, it is clear that all he wanted was some political leverage.

BFD. So what. Aren't you the guys that sent Steele to did up dirt from russians?

If you are going to act holier than thou, best to be a little holier, at least.

Is it alleged to be bribery or treason? No. Is it a high crime? No. to be so, it would first have to be a crime.

Just leaves misdemeanors. What's a misdemeanor? Is acting up in class a misdemeanor?

lad just told us the only thing that made it wrong was the (D) behind Biden's name and that Biden was running.

Apparently doing the exact same course of events but replacing the coke-whoring son of the then sitting VP with Ted Cruz Jr is hunky dory in lad-town.

When you make that name change and come to such amazingly dissimilar outcomes, it really kind of underlines the sham that is going on. Thank you, lad, for emphasizing that point of difference so startlingly for us.....

Your ability to stretch the statements of others is unparalleled.

You asked if Dems would do things differently, and I explained exactly why they are going through the impeachment process, which is a political process.

If news came out that Trump did the exact same thing, pressured a foreign country to investigate a Republican Senator for clearly political gain, I don't know if the Dems would role the dice to start impeachment proceedings.

I did NOT provide an opinion on what made Trump's actions wrong, yet here you are, proclaiming that I did. Doing the exact same thing to Ted Cruz is just as wrong. A sitting POTUS should not use the power of their office for personal gain, period.

I asked what would be the difference. You offered up Biden as being a Democrat being a major difference in the thought experiment, like a galvanic response. Obviously Ted Cruz Jr instead of Hunter the coke whore makes a difference that engendered that response.

And no offense, if any ® were put into the place of Hunter Coke World then Democrats would not only *not* impeach, they would revel in it. Again, this points out and underscores the fing partisan sham that it is.