(01-11-2020 09:48 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-11-2020 08:08 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-11-2020 04:14 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  The decision by Trump to strike Soleimani then directly led to Iran shooting down a plane full of innocent people, because Iran went into a defensive posture.

I've not paid a lot of attention to this discussion, but this comment really very clearly demonstrates 'orange man bad' is the only stance you know.

Regardless of Iran's posture, they control their airspace, their flights and their missiles.

If the US had shot down a domestic airliner minutes we had let take off from our airport after 9/11, I am 100% confident that you wouldn't be blaming Bin Laden.

More specifically, I'm also 100% convinced that if the Texas church hero had accidentally shot a parishioner in addition to the murderer, you would be using that as 'proof' that we need more gun control. That's specifically your argument against GGG's.

My real issue with you is that you have some legitimate arguments... but you're so partisan that you can't make them.

Right back at you regarding partisanship.

I am not blaming Trump for the downing of that plane. But do you think Iran would have shot it down if the Soleimani strike hadn’t occurred?

Well in that vein, Iran would not have shot down the plane if the Shah had not abdicated in 1979.

You seemingly think that anything in a chain is proximate cause.

I guess we should blame the Shah for Iran's actions in shooting down the plane.

There is a point where some previous link in the chain becomes absolutely unreasonable in trying to pawn off responsibility. Your thrashing here is a picture perfect example.