(01-10-2020 04:46 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(01-10-2020 04:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-10-2020 03:51 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(01-10-2020 02:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The bottom line is that democrats view a steady stream of illegal immigrants as a steady supply of future democrat voters. That is all.

You write a lot of smart, well-supported things. Some of them I agree with and some I don't. I think this is not smart or well-supported. I rarely hear democrats talk about increasing immigration (even I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about shifting some of the illegal immigrants to legal so that the government has a better handle on them). I have even more rarely heard democrats discuss immigration as a way to create new voters. To the extent it exists, it is so far down the list of reasons why Democrats disagree with the Trump administration on immigration issues that it is barely a bump.

You're a democrat. You wouldn't agree.

But take a look at everything democrats support in this area, and tell me that you don't see a pattern. No wall, so more get through. Catch and release, so we lose control. Sanctuary cities, so they have a place to go. Get rid of ICE, so there is no follow-up enforcement. Make them citizens ASAP. And give the vote too illegals. It's a very clear plan.

Its pretty easy to explain. Most Democrats don't support the things you ascribe to us, or at least in the way you try to ascribe them.

No wall ... because a wall wouldn't be very effective and is much more expensive than other methods that work better.

Catch and release, so we lose control ... can't find a BBC article to make us all happy, but here's a PolitiFact article noting that 23% to 28% skip hearings but the precentage that skip is much lower amongst asylum seekers (and most of the current immigration problem involves non-Mexican asylum seekers). So my point is that this policy, even if it is supported by Democrats (which is hardly an accurate characterization of the whole party) does not lead to a loss of control.

Get rid of ICE ... the Democrats supporting this do not argue that there should not be law enforcement agents at the border, just that ICE shouldn't be that agency and that it needs to be restructured.

Make them citizens ASAP ... who says this? Do you have any citations at all? Sounds like a fever dream brought on by a conservative red herring.

And give the vote too illegals ... who says this? Do you have any citations at all? Sounds like a fever dream brought on by a conservative red herring.

The nirvana for the left has always been a 'pathway to citizenship', or havent you noticed? That lone should be a good indication of that #s states.