(01-06-2020 02:19 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-06-2020 01:04 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-06-2020 12:49 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-06-2020 12:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I am dead serious. If you believe I am a terrorist sympathizer, then it is your patriotic duty to report it to the FBI. I will give you my name and place of work in a message, if you don’t know it.

In the meantime, I will go back to wishing Bernie, Warren, and Biden had stayed out of the race and listening to my Stephen Hawking audiobook.

You are way too literal. But for example, a lot of Democrats are saying Trump overstepped when he ordered that terrorist killed. So they think the terrorist should NOT have been killed, rather left alone to devise whatever attacks against us he wants.

I see that position as supporting the terrorist just to oppose Trump. I don’t think any of us should support the terrorists, for any reason.

What if, just hear me out, people oppose it because of the ramifications of the actions, and that those ramifications could be worse than not killing the terrorist?

This isn't some weird binary response like you make it out to be.

Quote:I don’t think you are a direct terrorist sympathizer. You are not sending money to Hamas. But I think you support policies and choices that work to the benefit of the terrorists, by supporting certain Dem policies and actions.

See, and this is why it isn't binary. It is just your opinion that these policies would benefit terrorists. In fact, there is a chance they actually support terrorists more by potentially galvanizing support against the US, leading to a surge in terrorist activities.

Quote:Should Trump have ordered that strike? Yes or no.

Should Obama have offered that deal to Iran? Yes or no.

Should Trump have withdrawn from Obama’s Iran deal? Yes or no.

Should Obama have kept his word when he drew the red line? Yes or no.

Many Dem policies are for appeasement. I don’t agree with that. I prefer somebody who will stand up to terrorists. Appeasement works to support the terrorists. For example, the billions that Obama paid for his deal, money that went to Hamas and other antiAmerican terrorist orgs.

Do you believe we should appease terrorists or stand up to them?

Get off your high horse of being literal. Look at the principles. For a group that believes in Trump blowing dog whistles, you sure can be literal when you want.

And you again make a false equivalency. There are other options between appeasement and standing up to them through assassinations.

Only Sith deal in absolutes.

Nice Star Wars reference. Now I am being compared to fictional characters! That is unique in my experience.

But I did not say “standing up to them through assassinations”. That is pure Ladspeak. I said “standing up to them”.

But I agree, there are many ways to stand up to them, and killing terrorists is just one - one you applauded when it was Obama doing the killing.


But accusing Trump of war crimes is a stance shared by Iran and certain Democrats in Congress.

From what I have seen, Trump is being accused of war crimes for threatening to destroy cultural heritage sites in retaliation.

Also, your comment about me applauding Obama's actions assumes that Bin Laden and Soleimani are equivalent in both their actions and relationships to countries. For starters, Soleimani was a member of the Iran government, where as Bin Laden was not.

That fact alone makes the decision to strike Soleimani much, much more complicated than Bin Laden, because it has more far reaching implications. Do you think it's less reasonable to evaluate each situation independently and whether or not force was the correct method each time? Currently, I don't have enough information to say whether or not assassinating Soleimani was the right choice - the WH has not yet released sufficient information on their intel for me to say it was or wasn't.

And since we were talking about the decision to assassinate Soleimani versus not assassinating him, I don't see why you have an issue with stating the fact when you said "Many Dem policies are for appeasement. I don’t agree with that. I prefer somebody who will stand up to terrorists." In this instance, standing up to terrorists = assassinating Soleimani.