(12-12-2019 04:18 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 04:12 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 03:55 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 03:38 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 02:06 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I believe the FISA application for Page was separate from opening the investigation into the Trump campaign. Not sure how the information captured from that surveillance influenced future aspects of the Trump campaign case, or the three other cases.

But that's a very valid point regarding the reasons the FISA misconduct is troubling - using an investigation that was supported with fraudulent evidence is pretty damning and more than irresponsible, especially given how sensitive the target was.

Carter Page served as an initial pretext for Obama's FBI to surveil the Trump campaign.

To that end they took out an initial FISA warrant on him on the basis of the Democratic-paid for Steele dossier; they renewed that warrant three times.

They found nothing on him.

In fact, the FBI in that pursuit suppressed exculpatory evidence (and seemingly manufactured evidence) to maintain the amazingly high level of surveillance on him, and by default, anyone he associated with.

Reading through the IG report, the initial pretext for the FBI to surveil the Trump campaign was Popodapolous - and the IG found that pretext to be sufficient. The report clearly states that Crossfire Hurricane, which was the investigation into coordination between Trump’s campaign and Russia, was built on that Popodapolous meeting. Further, you can read about the rationale to turn Crossfire Hurricane into a full investigation, and none of them are the Page FISA app. Heck, the initial Page FISA app was not submitted until Oct 2016, and the Crossfire Hurricane investigation was opened on 31 July 2016.

So how exactly was a FISA warrant two months after an investigation into the campaign was started, an initial pretext to spy on the campaign?

The IG report tells us some nice timelines. On August 15th, The FBI’s Office of the General Counsel (OGC) informed the Crossfire Hurricane team “there was an insufficient basis for them to proceed with a FISA application” for George Papadopoulos. (One of the functions of the OGC is to prepare applications for the FISA Court.) The Crossfire Hurricane team dropped the matter of the Papadopoulus FISA.

On August 15th, the same team requested assistance from OGC to prepare a FISA application for Carter Page.

Later in August, the team was told the OGC had consulted with the attorneys in the Office of Intelligence (OI) in the DOJ’s National Security Division (the OI prepares FISA applications and presents them to the FISA Court), there was insufficient information to establish probable cause (PC) for a warrant to spy on Page.

In other words, the team was shot down in getting Papadopoulos FISA-ed. The same day they ran back to the OGC with a request to FISA Page, which was also shot down. Then they reapply for the FISA with the altered items.



Funny, this is the same day that Strzok shot Page the telling "I want to believe the path you threw out in Andy's [McCabe's] office" and "[i]t's like an insurance policy" text.

Cool.

So we agree that the Page FISA app was not the initial pretext for opening an investigation into the Trump campaign?

The completely ginned up Papadoupolos one was their initial foray. All the difference. (good grief).

The funny thing is that you absolutely refuse to see or acknowledge the absolute boner these people had for investigating Trump. Geezus Krist in a handbag.