(12-10-2019 09:31 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 02:11 PM)At Ease Wrote:  https://www.newsweek.com/conservative-at...stribution

The disconnect in this sort of conversation is obvious to anyone not blinded to it... and the problem for the left is that the middle isn't blinded to it

Said simply, there was plenty of reason to investigate Russian attempts to influence the election. This has been the case since the 1960's. The Obama administration and the DNC were warned of this long prior to the election. This has never really been in dispute, and yet the left continually harps on it as if it is new news, or a revelation of some sort.

SO yes, the investigation into RUSSIA was valid and there was good reason to start the investigation.

That has nothing to do with what Barr is talking about, which was an investigation into the TRUMP organization.


From lines quoted in the above, Read:

Although the 476-page report highlighted "misconduct" by lower-level FBI officials and "clear abuse of the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] process" to obtain a warrant to surveil a Trump campaign official, it largely discredited allegations that the FBI's leaders acted improperly to launch the probe. The findings concluded that the FBI had adequate reason to open the investigation because of valid concerns about Russian interference in the election.

There was misconduct and clear abuses of the FISA process to surveil the Trump campaign. The FBI had adequate reasons to start an investigation into Russia. Not the same thing to anyone who isn't a Democrat. All this really says again is what we have all seen hundreds of times... Low level employees engaged in misconduct and higher level employees have at worst, plausible deniability. Leaders almost never go down from either party.

Read more:
"There was no evidence, testimonial or documentary, that political bias improperly motivated the FBI's decision to continue a counterintelligence investigation focused on Russian attempts to subvert the American political process and, most importantly, that there was sufficient probable cause from the outset to undertake that investigation,"

no evidence that political bias motivated the FBIs decision to focus on RUSSIAN ATTEMPTS... Again, not the same as no political bias to (from above) engage in misconduct and abuses of the FISA process in order to investigate a Trump official. Frankly, I don't care if it was political bias, 15 minutes of fame or racism against men of color (orange)... misconduct and abuses of the FISA process in order to investigate a US citizen is a problem. It's pretty hard to PROVE 'why' someone did something.

I mean seriously... If the report wanted to say there was sufficient evidence to investigate Trump, it would have very clearly said so.

It did not, and words have meanings.

It said there was reason to investigate Russia, and misconduct and abuses of the FISA process in order to investigate a Trump official.

It really seems simple to me.

Ham, read the executive summary of the document. You seem to misunderstand some things regarding the opening of the investigation - it clearly says that the FBI has sufficient evidence to open the investigation into the Trump campaign, and into the four individuals - Papadopolous, Page, Flynn, and Manafort. Page iii is where a lot of that information is located.

The IG found significant issues into the FISA application submitted to further surveil one of those individuals (Page).

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document....ion-Report