(11-05-2019 03:26 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  The Dems have planned to impeach since 11-9-16, long before Trump even took office. They have just been looking for good reason. So far, they have failed time after tie to find one. Russian collusion. Nothing there. OOJ. Nada. Paying off bimbos, failure to release tax returns, bad hair, mean jokes, whatever. Nothing to hang their hat on.
I firmly believe they will impeach, even if they have to impeach on the grounds he eats oatmeal cookies. Or that he doesn't. Doesn't matter.
But on the specific charge du jour of asking Ukraine to investigate Biden, I can find little wrongdoing whether he did or he didn't.
After all, he didn't ask them to make up stuff, as the DNC did with Steele. he just asked for it to be checked out. If Ukraine had investigated (they didn't) and found Biden free of corruption, wouldn't that be a good thing for Biden? And if Ukraine investigated (they didn't) and found he was corrupt, isn't that a good thing for America, to find that out prior to nominating him for president?
So the Dems want to impeach for asking for an investigation that never happened, supposedly with a threat to withhold aid they did get. Some quid pro quo.
The whole thing is a puzzler until you realize that the Dems have to impeach on something, and time to get it done while it can still impact the 2020 election is growing short. So this is what they have at the moment, and they cannot wait to see he shakes a German's hand or laughs when a reporter trips or something else horrible.
Of course, they cannot remove him, so the impeachment in and of itself is the goal. It is totally a political move, aimed at influencing the outcome of an election.
But AFAIAC, nothing egregious happened or was wanted to happen, and this would be true if Obama had acted identically (maybe he did - we never investigated).