(10-26-2019 08:47 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-26-2019 07:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-26-2019 07:02 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-26-2019 06:56 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-26-2019 11:44 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Quality of sources matter - so if someone is saying that they read the National Enquirer as one of their sources, I wouldn’t put too much stock in that comment.

John Edwards would beg to differ with your statement above. And, interestingly enough, there were a handful of 'real' media that had that story before and sat on it.

As opposed to our 'thrown it in the dustbin as a matter of course' simply because of the perception of the specific media channel, sometimes it might behoove on to look at the items presented.

One example: a few years ago you and I had a discussion on a Project Veritas piece, where I noted a very explicit comment in the presentation from one of their 'targets'.

You pooh-poohed the comments as being from 'oh them, lolz'. And I will grant you that they do at times read more into the 'target' comments than what is being said, and do use cute edits very liberally.

But in this one comment I made, the 'target' was very specific on an issue dealing with the actions of the Obama campaign and his interaction with people in the Obama administration, the dirty tricks his group was employing, and that the people to whom he coordinated this in the DNC and the Obama campaign not only knew about the actions, but condoned them. All with zero jump cuts or edits.

Your automatic response had zero to do with that specific comment thread -- all it had to do was with denigrating PV (some of which is justified, mind you). But sometimes organizations like that (and Nat Enq) do have items that are spot on accurate.

So true, quality of sources matter for factual issues. But to dismiss something out of hand is also not very prudent.

Back when I did litigation full time (as a very new attorney), I learned that lesson repeated above in some very hard ways.

Quote:Sticking to long-running and well sourced media companies will generally provide you sources with some integrity.

Perhaps. But even then the facts can be accompanied by language that tilts. Not even in the blazingly overt manner of MSNBC, or the less obvious manner of CNN. The choice of specific language, or ancillary fact inclusion (or exclusion) by the various media is powerful.

One very stark example is the 'pounce' example. When OAC introduced the new Green Deal the story was framed not necessarily in terms of the issues of the GND, but how Republicans 'pounce' on the idea. In short, it kind of backlights the Republican criticisms as a negative opportunistic effort.

PV is garbage and has far too much baggage from complete fraud, like what they did with ACORN, to ever be considered a serious source for journalism. No matter how hard you try.

Lolz..... Mr Objectivity.....

You kidding me? That would be like me trying to defend the work of Daily Kos as unbiased and worthwhile.

Being unbiased doesn’t mean you accept other sources if they are complete garbage and have been found guilty of complete fraud, just because they happen to be from the other side.

PV is garbage. Let me repeat: GARBAGE.

What do you make of unedited video from PV with the person saying 'XYZ'? I guess in your book the fact that the person says 'XYZ' is tainted because of whom filmed it.

lad, I agree with you that the spin that they give is high-handed, and that they edit the bejesus out of some of what they put out.

But, that doesnt discount the raw footage that they obtain in the slightest, when viewed in the raw format.

Unlike you, if someone from the Daily Kos provided the world with videotape of Donald Jr bragging that they actually talked to Putin personally to provide more of Hillary's emails I would take that as the words of DJTJr, and be able to ignore the hogwash that Kos puts out systemically.

And, apparently unlike you, I dont think I could automatically discount a DJT Jr tape that had been sourced by Kos as garbage -- the proof would be in *what* is on the tape. Not whom provided it.

That is distinction that seemingly fails with you. But please feel free to automatically discount those types of items sourced by PV, simply because they might be sourced by PV. The interesting things from PV are what are in the tapes that they put out -- not in what they spin it as.

For a supposedly king of objectivity you are being amazingly knee jerk, selective, and subjective in your choice there.