(10-23-2019 10:53 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 09:57 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 08:28 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 08:02 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 07:09 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Yes, very spastic to suggest that a crime need to be committed prior to investigation. Again, is there even a conspiracy theory of what quo was given to Hunter Biden or those connected to him?

I believe this line of reasoning was taken up regarding the Trump investigation, as people tried to argue that the stolen emails released weren’t actually stolen, and thus a crime wasn’t committed.

Sorry that your go to defense is trying to denigrate me - hope you feel good about yourself.

I am not suggesting that a crime be committed prior to an investigation being a valid concern. I am suggesting that there is a better than average by a long shot potential possibility of one occurring. Perhaps nothing actually untoward actually happened; but there is plenty of smoke to find out if something did.

VP --- son -- son 0 experience -- 2 million dollars -- investigation into son's company -- VP asks for investigation to stop. Looks, sounds, and quacks like a fing possibility. At least to this redneck deplorable.

That is, except in lad-world. The 'spastic' comment is your unrelenting adherence to a priori classifying that chain as business as normal and no need to even fing look.

But you are bending yourself into literal pretzels to maintain on an a priori basis that there is no indication that something is amiss in chain above. There may not be something amiss, but there is very much an indication that something should be looked at a little closer. That is unless you see no fing issue with (VP -- son -- son zero experience -- son board seat with company -- son paid 2 million -- company saying stuff about son's positions being close to power -- investigation into company, perhaps into son -- VP asks for investigation to stop).

I will grant you that nothing is dispositive -- but the entire fing chain reeks to high heaven. I will grant you the 'innocent until proven guilty' thing there, but good fing god no one with half a brain of sense can claim that there isnt at least a basis to investigate *that* chain.

Frankly, the "fact" that you keep peddling that Biden asked an investigation to stop isn't fact. If it were, I would 100% support an investigation, as that seems beyond unethical and likely criminal for a few reasons.

Funny -- one of your own 'go-to' sources says this:

Quote:Dec. 8, 2015. In Kiev, Biden tells Ukrainian leaders to fire Shokin or lose more than $1 billion in loan guarantees. Biden joins many Western leaders in urging Shokin’s ouster.

That followed the demand from the US Ambassador to do the same.

Quote:The fact that the only evidence that this occurred are notes from Rudy, makes me out almost 0 stock in that being true.

Funny, whomever the source, the WashPo uses it to say just that.

Quote:If a legitimate source comes out suggesting that happened, that is bad and does need to be fully investigated, to see if Biden pushed US policy to protect his son.

Funny with your god-like infatuation with the WashPo, I would think both those items in that timeline fit that bill.

Quote:And to your comment about experience - again, look at boards across the world, they regularly include people with 0 experience in that field, for a number of reasons. That fact alone, and a pay scale (without information about pay to other board members), doesn't seem overly fishy. Would you invite an investigation every time a child of a powerful person sits on the board of a private company, in an industry they don't work in?

Look closely at my comment -- 2 million dollars *and* no experience. There is a fing reason for the 'and' in that statement. Please read.

2 million dollars. When the company itself says that they are 'purchasing' him for his connections. I mean the Gatherer Biden situation is such a fing outlier that it screams. I mean you cant even concede that, let alone that Biden asked for a cessation of the investigation.

Interesting to see a pretzel do so well with dancing the cha cha cha.

No **** Biden, and the international community, pushed to oust Shokin - I've said that multiple times! Seriously, are you that dense to think that's the part I disagree with?

The issue is whether Biden did this because there was an investigation open into his son. You've only provided ONE source that says there was an active investigation, and that is from Rudy's fricken notes!

You are correct. With you, the mere statement of 'no' means that you are utterly convinced of that issue. And you stand there bleating there should be no investigation of that. With literally nothing else beyond that.

I mean you ***** and holler about 'presuppositions' -- that is precisely what the **** you are doing.

Quote:There is no dancing - Hunter acted unethically and created an obvious conflict of interest for his father. It's almost certain that part of the decision to take him on the board was to try and curry favor with the US (hence the unethical nature of Hunter's decision). It's not clear whether his payment was an outlier to the rest of the board.

The fact that Biden came down on the prosecutor sure as fk raises an iota of 'something happened' given everything else. I am not saying that it did. I *am* saying it is sufficient 'smoke' (in ladspeak) to warrant a serious look at whether it did. You scream there is "nothing further to look at. Walk away. Nothing there." All by its little lonesome.

In-f-cking amazing turnaround for you when the political polarity is turned.

Quote:It also isn't uncommon for board members to have no experience in the industry in which the company operates. Even Owl#s agreed to that point. Your "AND" doesn't add much

It adds two fing million to the mix, son. A couple of fing zeroes worth of added benefit. I am glad that raises zero fing questions for you. Especially with a 'zero work' gig.

Quote: - do you think people sit on companies' boards without the expectation of compensation?

Quit the superlative crap, son. Please note where I ever said or even intimated that 'board members should expect zero compensation'.

Quote:If that "AND" included say, $2MM more than any other board member, then that's really damning, because he is an outlier.

Glad to note you are defending the 'appearance of propriety' for a 2mm do nothing gig. Would have never expected that from a fellow traveler.

Quote:But anyways, it's exhausting when you intentionally, without question, try and twist someone's argument into a pretzel (and then try and accuse me of doing that!), and forget all previous posts that have been made within, what, 48

What of yours have I 'twisted'? Get off your gd soapbox.