(10-01-2019 12:18 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I think the #1 rule for people discussing politics should be "don't be a hypocrite." So if you think it is ok for people you support to do it, make sure you are OK if people you don't support do it too. If you think it is not ok for someone you do not support to do something, make sure you also believe it would would not be ok for someone you do support to engage in the same practice.

You don't like Hunter Biden being on a foreign company's board? That's cool, just make sure you feel the same way about the Bush, Cheney, Trump, and Pence kids.

You don't like Ivanka Trump getting patent and hawking her wares? That's cool, just make sure you feel the same way if a Dem's kid did the same thing.

If you are OK with the coziness between Russia and the Trump campaign in 2016, that's cool. Just make sure you are A-OK if the Chinese are similarly close to the democratic campaign in 2020.

If you are not OK with the coziness between Russia and the Trump campaign in 2020, that's cool. Just make sure you would not support similar efforts to unseat Trump in 2020.

If you were deeply disturbed with Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton chatting on a tarmac, but are perfectly fine with William Barr running the whistle-blower complaint by the Trump administration, you might be a hypocrite. If you are deeply disturbed by Trump's philandering ways but didn't have a problem with Bill Clinton, you might be a hypocrite. If you think Bill Clinton should have been impeached for lying under oath but are fine with Brett Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court, you might be a hypocrite. If you think Brett Kavanaugh should be impeached for lying to the Senate but try to excuse Bill Clinton, you might be a hypocrite.

Of course, the problem is that no one really wants to admit to hypocrisy. So they believe in a version of facts that allows them to not be hypocrites.

Generally agree, but just need one clarification: by coziness with the Russians, do you mean when he told the Russian president he could be more flexible after the election?

You seem to make several assumptions I do not agree with, such as Kavanaugh lying to the Senate. Has that been proven?

I do not care one bit about either Trump or Clinton's philandering ways, until they lie about it under oath. Until then it is their private business.

But yes, I do believe in one standard for all.