(07-28-2019 10:29 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-28-2019 08:48 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-28-2019 12:02 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 07:58 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 05:48 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  At the time he was pulled over was this information known? Or did it come out after he was already in custody?

I’ve seen no indication that there was any credible reason to believe the documents he had on his person were fake - so does this mean that a Border Patrol officer is allowed to start detaining citizens because they have a hunch their valid IDs are fake?

God god dude. When someone --- anyone ---- comes across a border and there is *any* question that there is a 'second identity', wtf do you think they should do? Let them go with a pinkie promise?

I seem to read about actual fing terrorists whose MO has a valid ID, and false cover.

Jeezus Krist dude. I dont give a **** what your rush to judgement is here (that is your rush to indict Orange policy in particular) but the actual fing mission of the Border Patrol is to be on the lookout for *just that situation*.

At a checkpoint within the prescribed distance from the border, the Border Patrol has pretty much carte blanche to ask anything, or look for anything.

These kids came through, they were asked questions, then they were asked for ID. The kid who was detained ID, when run popped up with something very out of the ordinary.

Seems pretty simple to me. Or keep your SJW jousting suit on. No skin off my back.

Quote:What about if you have a weapon and a conceal-carry license on you, but an officer thinks the license is forged?

Depends on why he thinks the license is forged. If he accesses a history at the stop that shows you are a felon, probably a good reason. That is more apropos to the situation described.

Not only that, but you utterly ignore the fact this was a stop and search incident to a border crossing. At an immigration checkpoint within the prescribed distance from the border that the Supreme Court has given a green light to. Criminy, in that situation they can put on the gd rubber gloves and make you sign alto with almost zero justification at that type of stop.

Again, put your thinking cap on first, before getting hot and bothered about the stop. Good god, they even ask *me* for ID from time to time at the immigration stops coming out of El Paso.

Two things - I don’t believe this was a stop at a border crossing, but I could be wrong. I believe this was an immigration station within the US, so they weren’t coming across a border and you suggest.

There is no fundamental difference legally. *If* the immigration checkpoint is within X (iirc 100) miles of a border, the stop is as essentially though they were crossing a border for most intents and purposes.

(Actually I will disagree with myself, because that is the practice that is employed, but I do think there is a difference within the Supreme Court case on this point and actual practice. I've never had it tested because my new found (2 years or so) refusals to answer questions typically end after 20 min. The bar card that is right next to my drivers license in the wallet probably helps with that when I am asked for ID, though...)

But, in defense of the opposite sense, while I have very serious doubts about your issue on the properness of the actual search issue (i.e. how far the agents at a checkpoint can search), I would like to know what led to the 23 days. That seems excessive to me. But, we do not know *any* of the facts regarding that length.

Not sure why you doubt my issue of the properness of the search - I find these interior border points to be a complete invasion of privacy when they cast such a wide net that they capture US citizens who haven’t even crossed the border. The fact that I never went into Mexico during each Spring Break, but was required to stop, answer questions, show identification, and open my trunk for inspection, seems to be an abuse of power. Seems like an unreasonable search, but they are legal (or at least I assume they are, as I have to imagine there have been lawsuits trying to stop them already).

I agree about the 23 days. My guess is it was due to the issue of the travel visa, which definitely brought in a serious suspicion of citizenship. I just want to know when that was found, because it is the only evidence that really justifies any detainment by CBP.

It sounds like you’re also generally wary of this government organization having the ability to ask for one’s papers wherever and whenever, and detain them without question. And this sounds like this may be a case similar to that.

You’ve told us what you think of immigration checkpoints. What do you think of driver license checkpoints and sobriety checkpoints?