(07-17-2019 08:52 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-17-2019 08:48 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 09:58 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 09:17 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 10:55 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  If AOC is a toxic pit of vitriol, what is Trump?

I am on record as him being a toxic tower of vitriol. Your point exactly, that is, beyond a cute repartee?

Quote:I also love all the hate thrown at these women for criticizing portions of America, when Trump ran a campaign that explicitly did the same thing. Why do you think Trump said "again" in his slogan?

Using that logic Reagan ran a campaign of vitriol using the return to the values of the 'city on hill' when faced with the malaise that endemic to the Carter administration, being preceded by the Ford/Nixon.

Good god you are clutching at straws.

Hate to tell you, there are a number of people that do believe the United States entered a similar malaise. Some point to the baby Bush era as that entry; others point to the Obama years. The quagmires of Afghanistan and Iran were direct corollaries to those in SE Asia.

There are *actually* some of us that experienced a hope for an euphoria about the 'goodness and greatness of America' ---- after Carter was gone, after Nixon, during the Iranian hostage crisis, after the Mayaguez incident, and after SE Asia. And within literally two weeks after Reagan took office and his campaign about a return to the shining hill on the city, the US hostages were released, *and* the space shuttle flew for the very first time. And that culminated with the West's victory in the Cold War -- again which President Reagan pulled from a toxic handling under a combination of LBJ, Nixon, Ford, and especially Carter.

You cling to the straw 'again' as toxicity; some of us with a tad more context than you saw it a return to the path of America as experienced in the first heady months of 1981.

So, lad, what exactly is *toxic* about 'again' (that is aside from your endless teeth gnashing)? I think American pride and esteem had plummeted within two years of 9/11 as the endless quagmire of a war drug on, NSA tapped the crap out of our phones, in light of the so-called Patriot Act, and the image of a President that was seemingly jumping around in a bouncy house, with a seemingly endless grab of Executive power by that same ad/hd President.

The crash of 2008 immediately followed, with the subsequent further power grab of Executive power in the name of so-called 'social justice', which in my view simply masked the community organizer / President we elected. Coupled with that same President's very dim view of the United States as a whole (i.e. Michelle Obama saying she had never been proud of the United States) from this point of view, the message of returning to a 'Yes, America is GREAT' isnt such a bad message. Considering that arguably happened in the Camelot years and arguably again in the first two years after Reagan lifted the malaise -- again seems appropriate.

So given that context that seemingly are absolutely blind to, what *exactly* is so fundamentally wrong with 'again'?

I mean, lad, sometime you should actually stop and think that the gd fing world doesnt revolve around your point of view and *your* timeline. If you dont think that a good proportion of the country was of the view that a malaise of '68 to '80 had similarly affected the country between 2000 - 2016, then you are amongst the most myopic people I have ever encountered. And I really hate to tell you, for some of us America *was* great, they did great things and had great attitudes. And I wish that we could return to those times where we did feel great about America, *and* being American. Similarly I actually yearn for a return where American manufacturing had the clout that it once had -- yet another target for the word 'again'.

You think a return to that feeling is 'toxic', because I hate to tell you is that is what the message 'again' means. Has Trump delivered? -- not in my book. But kudos for him for the message.

And you are an utter idiot for pointing to the use of that word as 'toxic' given that history that you are apparently clueless about.

Apparently you are such a fanboi of socialism that you equate the criticisms of AOC and her ilk of 'have to grab all the money we can to be fair' to 'wow, it would be *great* to have a respected nation again' as equivalent criticisms. You have every right to subjectively say that those two are equivalent. If they are, I am utterly happy with the very large probability that I will be worm food before people of that viewpoint actually take the levers of power in this country.

If you are unaware of that timeline, I sincerely hope you do a little research before your next straw clutch foray.

Yes, the idiot here isn’t the one who has to rely on childish name calling. Grow up.

edit: even funnier is that your reading comprehension is so poor that you thought my second paragraph was immediately and directly connected to the first. My second paragraph had nothing to do with Trump's language or toxicity - it was everything about his message that criticized America. You can try and rationalize why Trump's criticism of America, and wanting to make it great again (therefore, directly stating it isn't currently) and how Omar's is different, but they really aren't any different. I think both are equally valid and have no issue with Trump suggesting America has issues to fix. I have a problem with people thinking Omar can't do the same thing.

One of my favorite quotes regarding American progress and continuing to form a more perfect union comes from James Baldwin:

Quote: I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.

I guess you are one of the few short-busers in the world that seemingly think a criticism of 'again' directly relates to the constant toxicity of the 'squad'. Got it.

Are you so invested in these pillars that you cant even note that?

And to be blunt, had you bothered with any semblance of reading comprehension my statement of history for you was describing the object of of his oh-so-bad message of 'again' that you had a diaper hissy fit about.

Had you any 'reading comprehension' you would have noted that the history lesson that you dont seeming have any backing of kind of sets the stage for the 'again' comment. And 'again', the term 'again' is far from the constant toxic flow of bile from these four. That is is described your so-called 'terrible' message; i.e. the word message that you so furiously dance your patented lad world irish jig on.

**** off you little twerp, all you can do is run around from pendantic bouncy house to pendantic bouncy house clutching at the little dirt clods you 'found' in between them. Get back with us when you find a 'nuance' that is actually worth something.

What am I, a retard or a twerp?

Hard to keep up with all your name calling.

edit: ahhh, I see you realized using the term retard was a bad look, so you edited your post to call me a "short-buser" instead. Not much of a better look, there.

You misunderstood my comment, and it wasn't because what I wrote was too complicated. Let my "retarded" self spell it out for you.

Point 1) Trump has a history of using toxic language - either by pulling a Tanq move and making fun of someone's disabilities, making fun of someone's appearances, calling a political opponent nasty, etc.

Point 2) It is ironic that people are criticizing these women for criticizing America, because Trump's entire campaign was based on criticizing America. This has nothing to do with his toxicity or vitriol, but rather that his campaign was based on a criticism of America and that it was no longer great.

The reason I have to run around the pedantic bouncy house is because you intentionally misconstrue every single thing I say, so I'm forced to come back and break down my points for you.

As I noted earlier, the specific term 'again' has the exact same impact and message in your world and view as directly stating the US is a nation of concentration camps. Got it. That is some amazing insight there lad.

Go run around and find some more irridescent shiny bugs to play with and play with.

Funny you claim as 1) above the toxicity, but you only use the word 'again' in your description. Perhaps my reading comprehension missed all your other examples you provided there. Hmmmm..... I still only see the word 'again' as the sole specific point that put out there. Nice pivot there, all the while squawking on *my* reading comprehension.. Or dont you see that? lolz.

As for 2), as I noted in an edit to my comment apparently just as you responded, I have zero issue with criticism. I do have an issue with toxic criticism. And, I do have an issue with what seems to be an undecidely anti-American version of toxic criticism emanating from here: the message that Omar put out yesterday was the precise message a spouse abuser gives.

And when you decide to mix the anti-american with a good helping of not being able to respond to a question of whether one would denounce the ICE occupiers this last weekend, I think that is a very large departure from you specific example of 'again'.

Their message and their delivery are inexerably linked -- that is the 'message' for all your bounces.

Trump's criticisms, while criticisms, are that we can achieve the largess and greatness, as opposed to the FU that the squad messages the United States for its shortcomings.

Look up Reverend Wright for a similar delivery of a message.

Edited to add:
And yes, I did use that word 'retard.' Then I thought better of it and changed it. Amongst a number of items. FU for your snide comment in the rep ding; at least I recognized it and changed it on my own volition, you fing twerp (which was another comment I had edited out on my volition at that time, but seemingly that edit out 'crossed' with your response. I will reinstate that one here in its full glory here). Apparently that I actually thought it too incendiary and exed it out on my own volition got your diapers in a wad according to your comment there. Cute. Getting maddy poo at someone voluntarily and of their own volition removing a charged comment isnt the smartest thing in the world to throw a hissy fit over, son.

You want to get charged over the use of it -- fine. Mea culpa. But throwing a snot nosed squeal of anger that it and being equally enraged that the person removed it on their volition prior to your teeth gnashing is dumb as fing doornails. Think about it.