(07-16-2019 09:17 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 10:55 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 10:12 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 09:39 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 09:31 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The only thing you have made crystal clear is that you have zero clue as to a New Yorker taunt: "you think you can do a better job, go there, fix a bad part of the world, come back, and tell us how to do it." Are you *that* naive that you havent ever heard that? Seriously?

Funny thing here, that restructure thing I had to do this weekend: I said the *exact* same thing...... lolololololololololol.

Hey, as for 'quite a few', I was one of them. When you chop, snip, and edit it down to 'go back home Paco', yes it seems that way. But that isnt what was said, was it?

And you all *had* to chop, snip, and edit it down to that, didnt you? Lolz..... this is friggin' hilarious...... Hey, just edit the crap out of anything said to get it to say what you want...... this is absolutely delicious!!!!

Let me get this straight: telling someone who is continuously criticizing to 'hey go back, fix it, come back and do a better job' is *now* racist *and* and ********* thing to say..... this is really funny stuff.

So telling people who were born in America: *EXACT TRUMP QUOTE* "Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/stat...6994723841

Actually -- that is *not* the "EXACT TRUMP QUOTE"; you are still doing the "edit, chop", but at least left off the "alter". Perhaps try again with a more complete version. I actually provided one above --- one that isnt chopped to all hell.

And for completeness, the statement should be finished with: 'and come back and tell us how to [fix it]'.

Cmon, stop with the edit, chop, alter. Doesnt do anyone any good in this context.

Quote:Implying that they didn't come from America but they came from a different (probably s...h...) country. These are Americans, correct? Why would they go to a different country? Because their parents were from there? You think that's OK? Just some New Yorker blunt talk?

Bluntly, what Trump said was pretty much: "Y'all came from some bad places. Funny that you are the ones bitching and moaning abut how *bad* the United States is, given the state of where you and/or your ancestors (fairly fresh) came from. Since you all have all the answers on why the United States is sooooooooo bad and y'all have *all* the answers --- there is a great petri dish that y'all can try to fix. Go fix it. Then tell us what those results are"

If the 'squad' had deep roots in Detroit I am absolutely positive he would have described Detroit as such a petri dish to do a beter hob with, along with the shithole intimations that Detroit so easily seems partnered with in these times.

Since the 'squad' were either immigrants (Omar), and two others families were from Palestinian lands and Puerto Rico within one generation, one would hazard a guess that most immigrants (or within one generation) would actually relish America. But lets face it --- Omar, OAC, and Talib are amazing examples of toxic pits of vitriol --- to the extent that their own whacked out party shuns them for it......

Most immigrants I run across, interact with, and work with absolutely love the hell out their new environments; and Trump did a job in showing their complete antithesis to that from the squad.

Considering the squad's impunity with respect to their own toxicity, you know what? Blunt talk in light of that monolith of toxicity I really dont have an issue with. Perhaps you do.

As I noted, that blunt talk put the *entire* Democratic party in alignment with these four horsemen of the toxicolypse; the 'squad' is *now* the standard bearer for the Democratic party. It is really hilarious.

So far in July Trump has forced the Democrats to: a) come out against Fourth of July, b) come out against Betsy Ross, c) come out against the original flag of the nation, and now d) forced them to adopt the toxic four as the people whose values that they are deeply defending. Wow.

I mean, lets go for a clean sweep. Call Francis Scott Key a fascist; or better yet, make sure that apple pie is a symbol of oppression and should be banned. It is amazing what the Orange Monster is making the progressives go on record as being against, and being for. This is absolutely hilarious........

If AOC is a toxic pit of vitriol, what is Trump?

I am on record as him being a toxic tower of vitriol. Your point exactly, that is, beyond a cute repartee?

Quote:I also love all the hate thrown at these women for criticizing portions of America, when Trump ran a campaign that explicitly did the same thing. Why do you think Trump said "again" in his slogan?

Using that logic Reagan ran a campaign of vitriol using the return to the values of the 'city on hill' when faced with the malaise that endemic to the Carter administration, being preceded by the Ford/Nixon.

Good god you are clutching at straws.

Hate to tell you, there are a number of people that do believe the United States entered a similar malaise. Some point to the baby Bush era as that entry; others point to the Obama years. The quagmires of Afghanistan and Iran were direct corollaries to those in SE Asia.

There are *actually* some of us that experienced a hope for an euphoria about the 'goodness and greatness of America' ---- after Carter was gone, after Nixon, during the Iranian hostage crisis, after the Mayaguez incident, and after SE Asia. And within literally two weeks after Reagan took office and his campaign about a return to the shining hill on the city, the US hostages were released, *and* the space shuttle flew for the very first time. And that culminated with the West's victory in the Cold War -- again which President Reagan pulled from a toxic handling under a combination of LBJ, Nixon, Ford, and especially Carter.

You cling to the straw 'again' as toxicity; some of us with a tad more context than you saw it a return to the path of America as experienced in the first heady months of 1981.

So, lad, what exactly is *toxic* about 'again' (that is aside from your endless teeth gnashing)? I think American pride and esteem had plummeted within two years of 9/11 as the endless quagmire of a war drug on, NSA tapped the crap out of our phones, in light of the so-called Patriot Act, and the image of a President that was seemingly jumping around in a bouncy house, with a seemingly endless grab of Executive power by that same ad/hd President.

The crash of 2008 immediately followed, with the subsequent further power grab of Executive power in the name of so-called 'social justice', which in my view simply masked the community organizer / President we elected. Coupled with that same President's very dim view of the United States as a whole (i.e. Michelle Obama saying she had never been proud of the United States) from this point of view, the message of returning to a 'Yes, America is GREAT' isnt such a bad message. Considering that arguably happened in the Camelot years and arguably again in the first two years after Reagan lifted the malaise -- again seems appropriate.

So given that context that seemingly are absolutely blind to, what *exactly* is so fundamentally wrong with 'again'?

I mean, lad, sometime you should actually stop and think that the gd fing world doesnt revolve around your point of view and *your* timeline. If you dont think that a good proportion of the country was of the view that a malaise of '68 to '80 had similarly affected the country between 2000 - 2016, then you are amongst the most myopic people I have ever encountered. And I really hate to tell you, for some of us America *was* great, they did great things and had great attitudes. And I wish that we could return to those times where we did feel great about America, *and* being American. Similarly I actually yearn for a return where American manufacturing had the clout that it once had -- yet another target for the word 'again'.

You think a return to that feeling is 'toxic', because I hate to tell you is that is what the message 'again' means. Has Trump delivered? -- not in my book. But kudos for him for the message.

And you are an utter idiot for pointing to the use of that word as 'toxic' given that history that you are apparently clueless about.

Apparently you are such a fanboi of socialism that you equate the criticisms of AOC and her ilk of 'have to grab all the money we can to be fair' to 'wow, it would be *great* to have a respected nation again' as equivalent criticisms. You have every right to subjectively say that those two are equivalent. If they are, I am utterly happy with the very large probability that I will be worm food before people of that viewpoint actually take the levers of power in this country.

If you are unaware of that timeline, I sincerely hope you do a little research before your next straw clutch foray.

Yes, the idiot here isn’t the one who has to rely on childish name calling. Grow up.

edit: even funnier is that your reading comprehension is so poor that you thought my second paragraph was immediately and directly connected to the first. My second paragraph had nothing to do with Trump's language or toxicity - it was everything about his message that criticized America. You can try and rationalize why Trump's criticism of America, and wanting to make it great again (therefore, directly stating it isn't currently) and how Omar's is different, but they really aren't any different. I think both are equally valid and have no issue with Trump suggesting America has issues to fix. I have a problem with people thinking Omar can't do the same thing.

One of my favorite quotes regarding American progress and continuing to form a more perfect union comes from James Baldwin:

Quote: I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.