(07-09-2019 10:22 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 10:16 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 09:55 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  So it says explicitly that representatives are apportioned based on the whole number of persons, not citizens, in each State, excluding only those who are not taxed. At the moment, every person, citizen or non-citizen is taxed in some form, by, at a minimum, sales tax.

Sales tax is not a Federal tax.

Yes - but that clause doesn't explicitly state that it is talking about federal taxes. It also only calls out Indians not being taxed, not persons not being taxed. The implication of only calling out Indians isn't clear as to how that would be applied to others not being taxed.

Children are included in the counting for vote apportionment, and they do not generally pay federal taxes.

Yes, the census counts everybody but Indians, but not on the basis of whether or not they pay state imposed taxes. heck, back then there was no such thing as an illegal. If you were here, you were here legally. The laws changed, and they did not change under Trump.

I still think it is is of no importance whether the question is on there. It was on there many times before, without our nation falling in ruin. Neither party is honest about why they want/don't want the question. Both care only about winning enough seats to gerrymander. Dems are pro gerrymandering where they can. Same for Republicans. I doubt the gain/loss would affect any seats, unless they (both sides) think California would gain/lose seats. I think this is all about California. But even if they did, those seats may well come from/go to other states that are just as blue. But the excuse is the apportionment of goods and services. Which services do you think would be adversely and materially affected by a smaller/greater than usual under count. Food stamps? Flood control?

In any case, the proposal to have the question does not mean that anything will change in the apportionment of goods and services. That is just a smoke screen.

My experiences with illegals suggests they want nothing to do with representatives of the government knocking on the door. Not home!!! Go away!!! What good can come from that? And the mailed form is just junk mail to them, about as important as the flyers from State Farm about homeowners insurance. Either way, there is no readily apparent quid pro quo for taking the time and effort.

So why do the Dems have their panties in a wad? Well, it gins up the base. Election year coming up. Need to paint the Trump Administration as racist xxxx-ophobes as much as possible. The SJWs will rally to an injustice being done to POCs. Notice there is no problem with an undercount in Appalachia.