(06-25-2019 07:03 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 04:01 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 03:25 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I grew up in a fundamentalist church, and never heard a word of racism. Of course, that was the fifties, so racist attitudes were probably the norm.

Then, after 9 years of virulent atheism, I joined a Disciples of Christ Church precisely because it was more liberal and tolerant of people of little faith, like me. Never saw or heard any indication of racism.

After my divorce, I joined a Methodist church. Still no racism.

Since 1990 or so, agnostic, but I know a lot of churchgoing people. No racism.

I think your stereotype of racist fundamentalists is a construct of the Democratic Party, maybe based on 1950's lore. But I don't know. Maybe back when you were a conservative, you rode with the KKK. Maybe in your current life, you see Christians attacking blacks all the time. I don't know why you think as you do. All I can go with is what I see and what I experience, and nothing I have seen or experienced is anything like the stereotype that the Dems promulgate.

I hear you. We are all formed by our experiences. I have a fair amount of family who attend fundamentalist churches. I find what they hear there abhorrent in terms of racism, sexism, etc. That is my experience. Clearly, not all fundamentalist churches are the same.

I attend a Christian church and have never heard a peep of racism in my decades of attendance, for what it's worth.

Quote:And I do think it is a stereotype that is far from current reality. We had my mother's funeral in that same fundamentalist church I grew up in. We had her best friend, a black lady, sitting with the family, and not a peep, not a hard glance from anybody there. And that was 30 years ago. I feel sure that racial attitudes have not worsened since then.

I will accept your experience that there is no racism at your family's fundamentalist church. Again, they are not all the same.

Quote:Now I believe that cop that you have built your case on was convinced gays were going to hell. Some Christians would agree. Also most Muslims. But thinking somebody is going to hell is not the same as hating them. What is this, 1619?
My in-laws, the fundamentalist Baptists that they were, told my nephews, their grandchildren, that if they didn't cut their hair, they would go to hell. But they didn't hate them. And of course, I repeat, they were lifelong STDs.

Actually, the cop was advocating that gay people should be put to death. Do you think that he hates them?

Probably he does. But I doubt that "solution" would find many advocates in his own church, much less the "many" others you seem to think would agree. Probably as much support for that as there is for killing cracker babies.

Kill them

kill their babies

There are extremists. Why try to use isolated extremists to paint whole swaths of the population as exactly the same?

Probably for the same reason that you guys are constantly bringing up the violent members of antifa when it comes to progressive attitudes?