(06-23-2019 11:12 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:57 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 06:42 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I believe her because I watched her testimony. Did you?

Yes I watched her. I was not favorably impressed by her bearing or voice. Sounded evasive to me.

Quote:She didn't strike me as a political operative. She very carefully explained the timing of her coming out with the story and how difficult it was to watch her assaulter progressively rise to power. She told friends, her husband, and her therapist about the assault years before the Kavanaugh hearings. She didn't have a reason to put herself through that grinder other than it was so important to her that the truth come out.

It was important to her because he was a conservative judge, about to take a seat on the Supreme Court, and she was a flaming liberal. I heard nothing from her that couldn't have been fabricated, and probably was.

Quote:I don't believe him because I watched his testimony. Did you? I did not find him credible. He was obviously lying about little details which made me question his entire story.

So was she.

Quote:There were multiple similar instances during his testimony where I didn't find him believable.
That's why I believe her. It basically came down to "he said/she said" and I found her credible and I felt that he was lying.

Frankly, I didn't find either one of them particularly credible. I thought he really fumbled the earlier questioning from Kamala Harris about talking to someone from a particular law firm. I would have just said something like, "If I were a lawyer, I would object to the question as vague, and if I were a trial judge I would sustain the objection. I had conversations with various people about various things, but they don't wear jerseys saying XYZ Law Firm, and people change law firms all the time, so I'm not necessarily aware of what firm they represent. If you can provide a roster of lawyers from that firm, I can tell you if I recall speaking with any of them about anything. Or if you can give me a specific name, I can respond. But asking the question in such an indirect and, frankly underhanded, manner, I am unable to answer with certainty."

My conclusion is that whatever happened, if in fact anything happened, was so long ago and of so little consequence at the time that neither one remembers it fully and completely. I did a lot of things when I was that age, some of them probably regrettable, that I would certainly not recall the details today. I suspect most of us did the same. I also suspect that Kavanaugh had prepped for a lot of questioning but got caught off guard a couple of times.

My best guess as to what happened is that she said to friends something like, I knew him in high school and I wish I could stop the nomination, and somebody said, why don't we come up with a sexual assault story, and voila. And the whole fear of flying delay was to buy time to put the finishing touches on the story.

Yep, the flying delay story was a crock of ****. They deliberately tried to shield any testimony from or outside interview of her by the authorities until the absolute last second. Kind of a real-world obstruction of justice scenario.

The fact that they moved her from Cali and housed her incommunicado for two weeks within hours of DC without bothering to tell any Senate investigatory personnel *or* the FBI kind of buttresses the 'ambush and nothing but ambush' scenario to a great extent. If I pulled that **** with a witness, even a pre-filing deposition, I'd get my ass sanctioned by the judge and probably face a raft of disciplinary actions by the state bar.

When you put that together with the leak that came out of some Senator's office to force this into the limelight -- that doesnt help her case either. There was nothing at all on the up and up on how she was handled.

But I am sure that overlooking that will certainly be good for the acolytes to hang onto and render faith to.

I don't think she was lying. I think that Democrats took advantage of a crazy woman for political purposes.

You've definitely hit the Alex Jones jackpot with your "crazy woman" comment. Congratulations. I mean, most of the far right Talking Heads had the decorum to say that they believed that something happened to her, but that Kavanaugh was not involved and her memory was likely fuzzy. You went straight “she’s crazy”. Does anybody still wonder why women don’t come forward more frequently and earlier?.