(06-23-2019 10:42 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 09:17 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 07:09 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 06:42 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-22-2019 07:48 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I thought she was lying, so I felt like Tanq does.

My question for you is, why on earth do you think she was telling the truth?

Sketchy story, not supported by anything but her account, and lots of quirky holes.

I believe her because I watched her testimony. Did you?

She didn't strike me as a political operative. She very carefully explained the timing of her coming out with the story and how difficult it was to watch her assaulter progressively rise to power. She told friends, her husband, and her therapist about the assault years before the Kavanaugh hearings. She didn't have a reason to put herself through that grinder other than it was so important to her that the truth come out.

I don't believe him because I watched his testimony. Did you? I did not find him credible. He was obviously lying about little details which made me question his entire story.

The Ronatae (sp?) story. In the yearbook, he and his friends were clearly calling her a slut and intimating that they had all been with her. That is crystal clear. When asked about it he said something to the effect of "The Ronate Club was because she was such a good friend to us. And we respected her so much.". It was total BS, IMO.

He and running mate in the yearbook... "Have you boofed yet?". In his testimony he said that "boof" meant fart. Why would you ask each other if you have farted yet? Weird. Many people called him out on this saying that "boof" didn't mean "fart".

I like to keep it anonymous on this board, so I will just say that I had occasion to spend A LOT of time in the 80's with the suburban DC elite private school crowd. Played sports with those guys for multiple summers back then. I did not spend the school years there. This was a few years after Kavanaugh. I don't keep in touch with any of those people but I'm sure some of their siblings went to school with him. I attended parties with the sister school crowd in the 80's. I never attended Beach Week but friends and family of mine did. The term "boof" was thrown around a lot and it meant anal sex. Not in any sense did it mean fart.

This seems like a small thing but he was clearly lying. And maybe it's embarrassing to talk about with his family in the audience however as a prospective supreme court judge he knew how important it was to tell the truth in that setting.

There were multiple similar instances during his testimony where I didn't find him believable.

That's why I believe her. It basically came down to "he said/she said" and I found her credible and I felt that he was lying.

I sincerely hope you are never, ever on a jury.

How would you suggest that a juror respond to a witness that they feel is clearly lying on the stand?

Without any corroborating evidence, I would hope that they dont jump immediately to a position.

If there is corroborating evidence *and* a 'feel' that a witness lying, I could see your point of view.

But that issue of corroborating evidence seems wholly lacking in your judgement process.

That is why I really hope to god you never serve on a jury.

That is, unless I was a plaintiff's counsel and really just wanted jurors to think completely and entirely on an emotional knee jerk basis. But, I dont do plaintiff work.

I see your point and I agree... if I were a juror in a criminal trial I do not have enough evidence to say that he was guilty of assaulting her beyond reasonable doubt.

I don't think the standard for a criminal trial is the same as the standard for saying that Kavanaugh doesn't deserve to be appointed to the Supreme Court. Am I wrong in that belief?

It is clear to me (my opinion) that he was lying during his testimony. That's all I needed to see to form an opinion that he is not worthy of being named a Supreme Court justice.