(06-13-2019 07:27 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 02:33 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 01:39 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 01:34 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 10:30 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  [quote='OptimisticOwl' pid='16144257' dateline='1560438375']
I’m in Las Vegas, and the crowds are huuuuuge. I think there are a lot of people who could not afford it in 2016, but now, they have $2-4,000 they can spare. I would guess this crowd would split 80-20 for Trump. All independently minded capitalists and true democrats.

https://www.lvcva.com/stats-and-facts/vi...tatistics/

Per the official Las Vegas Visitor statistics the monthly average visitors in 2016 was 3,578,008.

So far (through April) the 2019 average is 3,473,500.

Looking at the 2018 monthlies it doesn't look like a huge difference when you compare Jan-April to the full twelve months.

But maybe you are right and the tax cuts really kicked in this month and it's a massive Trump celebration over there.

Damn, you guys will quarrel about anything, if it casts shade on Trump.

I just thought it was an interesting post. Here I am in Las Vegas and it is crowded. Therefore the tax cuts are working?

Quote:Well, now it is June, not April, and the World Series of Poker has kicked in. I have been every year since 2006 save 2009.

I bet the June numbers exceed the average by quite a bit. But the test would be, if the June 2019 numbers exceed the June averages from 2008-2016. You got that?

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Yes. I got it. That is why I specifically referenced the monthlies for the previous year. Do you think there is something specific about June as opposed to April when it comes to visitors enjoying their massive tax breaks? Or is it just the serious poker players that got the tax cut?

Quote:In any case, I was talking about poker players, not the mindless drones playing the slots. The mindless drones probably break big for the Democrats.

Ummmm... OK. Sure. In the interest of not appearing combative let’s just let this one slide.

Quote:Poker players rely on their own decisions, not blind luck. They might complain that somebody is Luckier than them, but they don’t expect the dealer to take chips from the big stacks and give them to them because they made a bad decision or didn’t get dealt good cards.

As for Democratic (small d), we sit and play with anybody who has the money to buy in (buy ins range from $500 to $1,000,000 and are not subsidized by the government). Today I have played with players from Iran, India, New Zealand, and dozens of other countries, and probably every state in the Union and every Province of Canada. The players have been black brown, white, male, female and at least one transsexual, and one guy wearing a kilt. I have used the “gender neutral” restroom.
, along with the preceding. Just need to be 21 and pay the entry fee. No discounts for being this or that. Everybody treated the same.

Definitely one of the best things about sports, games, and competitions in general. They are very small-d democratizing.

I’ll let the smart- assedness slide, but hell yes there is a difference between June and April. The main thing is the tens of thousands of extra visitors here due to the WSOP, which started in very late May and will continue until mid-July. A lot of people come for a week, and choose this time for,that reason. So there are a lot here in June who wer not here in April. For some reason you think LV is steady state?

I definitely don't. That's why I said that I looked at the monthlies to see if June happened to be an outlier based on the WSOP. I thought maybe it wasn't because there are huge conventions in Las Vegas throughout the year.

Quote:But also, more people travel in the summer. Kids out of school, for one thing. I met a dealer works as an educator. Dealing is his summer job.

April is not June, nor is it October.

But here see for yourself. WSOP.com

It’s kind of like saying tourism in New Orleans is the same for Madrid Gras as for August.

Fact is, you know nothing about this except nothing good can come from cutting taxes, a typical D position, or that nothing good came come anything Trump does, another typical position.

All I know is what the Las Vegas Board of Tourism provides in terms of monthly visitors:

April 2018- 3,548,000
May 2018- 3,630,400
June 2018- 3,565.400
July 2018- 3,659,600
August 2018- 3,555,200

It doesn't look to me like June is an outlier of crazy Las Vegas traffic. My point was not that there is no such thing as seasonal tourism in certain locations. It was that if people had a bunch of extra money in their pocket from Trump's economy (as you have implied) then they would be just as likely to be increasing the Las Vegas visitor numbers in April, 2019 as they would in June, 2019 when compared to April/June, 2016.

At no point in this conversation have I advocated for a tax hike. Selfishly, my bank account has been quite pleased with the 2017 tax bill. My issue was not with Trump here but with your statement that Las Vegas seems crowded and therefore disposable income has certainly increased thanks to Trump's policies.

Quote:I refer you again to the BLS figures and await your explanation of how better economic times can have no effect on people.

I said that the average wage increase has been nullified to some extent by increases in COL and inflation. That's why much of the middle class hasn't felt like they are better off now than they were in 2016.