(06-13-2019 08:30 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 08:23 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  In any case, 93, you are talking about “fairness” a highly subjective judgement, and one with which I dis agree. You want fairness, abolish the graduated income tax and pass the Fair Tax.
But in reference to the Trump tax cuts, I am talking effect. I am saying a better economy helps us all, and that is what those cuts are producing. I don’t see the point in cutting off our noses to spite our faces, even if some segment of society thinks noseless faces are “fairer”.

You're arguing for trickle down economics. The stuff trickling down isn't money...
The way the tide needs to rise is by increasing wages across the board, which has not happened in decades. How to cause that to occur is difficult, but strengthening unions and collective bargaining powers is probably the best, and fastest way to do that. Workers create value for their companies but are not seeing a return for that value.

Unions are great up to a point. But US unions largely started making demands that priced US production off the world market. So we don't export very much in the way of manufactured goods.

We have lots of natural advantages--agriculture, natural resources, waterways, natural boundaries for defense--so we don't have to engage in a full-blown "race to the bottom." We could actually survive producing and exporting raw materials to overseas manufacturers, and re-importing the manufactured goods. That was the ante bellum American South. But we do have to make it competitive from an ROI viewpoint to manufacture in the USA.

Wages are now increasing because the 2017 tax law made it less disadvantageous to manufacture here. So manufacturing with its higher paying jobs is coming back to some extent. You're not going to raise wages across the board. You're going to start using kiosks long before you pay somebody $15/hour to work fast food, because it's going to become more economically feasible.

You need to try looking at things from the employer's point of view. Then you'll start to understand why employers never do what government bureaucrats plan for them to do.