(06-12-2019 01:41 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 01:35 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 01:29 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 01:08 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 12:55 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  So, what I hear in your “whadabout “response is a tacit admission that progressives want more power to enforce their view on environmental issues. Is that incorrect?

No. No more so than either side wants power to move forward legislation that they consider important.

Quote:What border wall? Some very powerful powers are keeping it from happening. I guess in this sumo match they are the heavyweights.

I don’t care about abortion, pro or con. Women can kill all their children AFAIAC. Would that b good public policy? Or should we require a license to kill?

Whether or not you support abortion is not relevant. I am saying that the conservative goal of making abortion no longer available to women is the height (the fing height as Tanq would say) of "wielding power".

I would say the military draft I was subject to was he height of wielding power. They literally had the power of life and death over me. Pleas of “its my body” and I don’t want it where you want it were unheard by those with the power - LBJ et al.

On more modern terms, I would say the IRS wields a lot of power, and the more taxation, the more power.

Yes. Nobody would argue either of those points.

Outlawing abortion will also lead to a life or death situation for some women.

Usually, the person dying is the child.

But, yes, occasionally the pregnancy threatens the life of the mother. Any stats on how often that happens?

From the American College of Obstetrician/Gynocologists:

"More women die in the US from pregnancy-related complications than in any other developed country. The US is the only industrialized nation with a rising maternal mortality rate, and between 2000 and 2014, there was a 26% increase in the maternal mortality rate.i Racial disparities in maternal mortality are staggering -- black women are three to four times more likely to die from a pregnancy-related complication than non-Hispanic white women."

From USNWR (published today):

"ABOUT 700 women die of pregnancy-related problems every year in the U.S., at a rate of 17.2 deaths per 100,000 live births between 2011 and 2015, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

*edit* I don't have the rates for maternal mortality specifically in women who were seeking an abortion.