(05-30-2019 09:49 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 09:26 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 05:17 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 05:04 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:47 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  My brain literally hurts from what you just did. How did you contort yourself into the argument that you just made? I have no urge to rehash a debate about who is worse - antifa or neo-nazis - yet somehow you've pulled that out of my response. Bravo!

My response was regardless of which two groups you chose to use, because I wasn't trying to rehash that debate. I was simply saying that trying to throw a label/judgement on a group as large as conservative/liberal, especially comparatively, is stupid. And it's stupid because they are large and complex and diverse. But I'm not against the entire idea of labeling or comparing groups, especially as they get for finite.

Maybe this won't twist your panties up as much - Muslim extremists are definitely worse than Girl Scouts.

I have no fing issue that Muslim extremists are worse than Girl Scouts.

To bring that comparison as an equivalent to the comparison of Neo Nazis (or alt-right) to your fing beloved Antifa is so blindingly stupid as to make me wince.

Too fing hard for you to fathom there?

I mean, why not change one side of the equation to the fing tooth fairy? That is the dramatic change you seek to reframe the comment as.

My original comparison was neos or atl-right to Antifa, that you blindingly changed somehow to comparing Nazis and cosplayers. If you dont see the ludicrous thing you just tried to change reframe the original statement to, I dont know what more to say.

NMFP either.

Just keep twisting yourself into a pretzel and not reading what I write.

Let me repeat - I didn't try and reframe anything.

I was simply pointing out I have no problem labeling groups if they are small enough. I then provided two examples of small groups.

cosplayers = small group of people. got it. that makes *perfect* sense.......

So now you’re trying to say that the cosplaying community, people who dress up as video game, anime, and other pop culture characters, is not “small enough?”

Dude, go ahead if it makes you feel better. I wasn’t trying to equate cosplayers to antifa, or even the alt-right to neo-nazis. Was just trying to say that labeling groups or comparing them to others isn’t always stupid. Sometimes the group is small enough, or homogenous enough, that it makes sense.

Why not try and address that idea instead of nitpicking things that really aren’t germane?

lad, your initial change of my original comment on the comparison of two pretty fing grotesque groups to one another and changing one of them to cosplayers smacked of intellectual dishonesty.

I am sure when I do that in the future you will scream and squawk. Yet you are pretty much clueless to the intellectual dishonesty that that change could imply -- you may not have meant it, but it is there, as well as the spectre of that intellectual dishonesty.

But for some reason you are absolutely obdurate in your viewpoint that that change could *never* smack of that. Ever. Good for you.

While you werent necessarily 'trying' to equate cosplayers and neo-nazis, you must have to realize your explicit interchange of them does at a certain level. I cannot figure out that whether you dont realize that you have done that at certain level, or are simply to dug in to bother to realize.

Now your tune has changed from the 'well golly gee willikers lets just blindly interchange the two groups' to some fing song and dance at another complete dimension, from my perspective. It would have been easy to say that after my initial blunt response of you absolutely changing the framing of the issue -- which is precisely what you have finally explicitly admitted to, albeit in a different perspective.

If that was you intent, perhaps you should have just said 'well maybe the size and homogeneity blah blah blah blah'. Would have been far easier instead of simply explicitly swapping the groups out then digging in like the Red Army at Stalingrad at that (from my perspective) blind swapping of groups.

To be blunt, I viewed your comment in detail after that fact at a certain level of obdurate lad 'cha cha cha' which pops up from time to time, which perhaps I shouldnt.

And I hate to tell you, while cosplayers might be rare breed in Houston, they may not be such a 'weird and interesting phenomena' in other locales. Literally, just today when meeting a client at a Starbucks (not even downtown) the place was abut 2/3 filled with various Jedi knights, Trekkies, Klingons, a couple of Marvel super heroes, and a medieval beer wench. And this was a small local 'gathering' as opposed to the yearly week long comic con that graces downtown Austin for a week every year.

So, maybe just perhaps in your state of mind 'cosplayers' are your bright shining example of a small homogeneous group (that in the 'evil' sense stands as far apart from the group you swapped them out for as you can get), maybe, just perhaps maybe, in other locales they arent that small and uncommon.