(05-29-2019 08:46 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 05:34 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 04:59 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 04:48 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 04:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  My work experience with respect to running into conservative who were explicitly racist has been limited to the blue collar guys I work with. I try to avoid all political talk when possible, but I've had a few situations (primarily when Obama was president), where certain words were used by drillers and rig operators to describe the then POTUS which you don't use if you aren't, ya know, at least a bit racist.

I don't share the same view of the prevalence of racism among conservatives I run into through work or fun.

That’s similar to my experience - and in my case, the folks in the former category are not people I really know. It’s a lot different from 93’s “all walks of life”.

But the claims that surprised me most were the ones about not knowing ANY racist leftists or ANY unpatriotic ones. Again, I see plenty of examples of each just among Facebook friends.

George, you claimed that you didn't know ANY racist conservatives... that is just as surprising to me. Your stated experience is that leftists are more likely to be racist than conservatives. I also find this surprising. Every facebook "friend" that posts borderline racist things on my feed is a conservative. You find liberal facebook "friends" posting things that are racist but never your conservative "friends"?

Correct. Why does that surprise you?

Because it is opposite to my experience.

Is it truly opposite to your experience, or just to how you filter your experience?

(05-29-2019 08:46 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Probably to most people's experience as well.

On the contrary:
- My experience seems consistent with Owl#'s experience.
- It is at least partially consistent with Lad's experience: he said that he does not know any white-collar conservatives whom he knows to be racist. Neither do I -- and white-collar folks are pretty much the only people I really know.
So there are two people in this discussion who each know a LOT of people, and whose experiences roughly match; plus a third person whose experience is not inconsistent.

You say your experience is opposite. Perhaps yours is the outlier. There certainly doesn't seem to be much basis for presuming that your experience is representative of "most people's".

(05-29-2019 08:46 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I'll bet if you polled a bunch of people and asked them "Who is more likely to post something on facebook that many would consider racist... a conservative or a liberal", the vast majority of people would answer "conservative".

There is nothing about that poll question to suggest that it would accurately capture people's experiences, or for that matter actual racism. Rather. it asks for the respondent's guess about what some people ("many") would opine ("consider") about other people. It seems to address who people THINK is more likely to be called racist; it might even shed light on who is ACTUALLY more likely to be called racist; but it sheds no light on who is more likely to BE racist. A key point of this discussion is the falsity of assuming that those groups are the same.