(05-15-2019 10:22 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 02:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 01:06 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 12:56 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Going back to the discussion about liberals and how they *never* employ 'identity politics':

Quote:Gillibrand, in an interview after the event, let out a hearty "yeah" when asked if she felt she was currently being underestimated in the race for the Democratic nomination.

"I think it's just gender bias. I think people are generally biased against women. I think also biased against young women," she said. "There's just bias and it's real and it exists, but you have to overcome it."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/12/politics/...index.html

Best thing is that this is seemingly blue on blue identity politics porn........

Has anyone said Dems never employ identity politics?

Both parties do that, and I would agree that Dems are more likely to do that.

You are correct lad. But 93 has seemingly argued that that perception is not justified, iirc.

From the chronicles of '93:

Quote:Really? I actually haven't heard anybody making any level of fuss regarding the ethnicities of these candidates.

While Gillibrand's comments arent 'regarding *ethnicity*' they *are* specifically regarding sex.

From the identity politics 'cookbook' --- any division is good to do this with.

Ethnicity, sex. Potayto, potahto.

I wonder if 93 stands behind that statement as clearly and unflinchingly as at the time of his comment above......

"Unflinchingly". That's funny.

*Disclaimer: I basically fire off hurried responses in between my busy work life and taking care of my kids. None of this should be treated as my personal credo.*

That being said... I still haven't felt a great deal of excitement over the ethnicity/gender over the current Democratic presidential candidates. I'm sure there is some out there. You are probably more likely to notice it just as I am more likely to notice annoying things that Republicans do. I agree with Lad that identity politics is more likely to come from the Democrats but neither side is immune. Remember all the excitement when John McCain named his female running mate?

Maybe "excitement" is the wrong word. Maybe "concern" fits better.

No males

Four presidential candidates have indicated they will only consider women for vice president, while other leaders have proclaimed that women govern differently than men. What is most striking about such pledges is that they would result in a federal prosecution if the candidates were running even a small business or agency. Instead, they seek to run the country based on a pledge not to consider men regardless of their qualifications. It presents an interesting conflict between our legal and political values in the use of race and gender as a criteria for selection