(05-10-2019 09:14 AM)ausowl Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:57 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:51 PM)ausowl Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 12:22 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 12:11 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  There's fai
Your comment doesn't seem to conform with our legal system. Aren't there cases won all of the time for, say, hiring discrimination, not because the company had discriminatory rules written, but because they were discriminatory in how they actually handled hiring?

Someone can't just get out of a discrimination lawsuit by saying, "Well, in our handbook it says we won't discriminate based on a persons race." So, yes, we have laws that deal with the concept of "Thought Policing" as you put it, because we look at more than just the laws and organizational rules - we look at how people act. And we do that, because we can see that there are other types of insidious racism besides those codified in law or organizational rules.

Hypothetically, could a falafel shop legally have a written policy of serving Jews, but always turn away Jewish people whenever they wanted to order a falafel? Their organizational rule says that they serve Jews, but they don't do that in practice.

So what kind of discrimination do black people face these days? None in hiring, per above, none in service, per above. if this is such a problem these days, where is it?

Spend some time in a criminal court.

That is proof positive of 'insidious discrimination'?

I guess if that is the standard, there is massive discrimination against men; especially in enforcing murder statutes.

I haven't read much of the thread, reacting to the question "So what kind of discrimination do black people face these days?" Bias in arrest/conviction rates is well documented - A-A 6X's more likely to be incarcerated than whites, Hisp. 3X's.

Does that amount to "insidious discrimination"? I wouldn't characterize it that way. Social problem that we should take action on? Yep.

And further, is there racial bias tangled up with the economics of retaining private counsel, etc, etc, etc. - I don't have a study at hand that "proves" intentional racial discrimination.

But we do have those "insidious" disparate outcomes which we collectively tolerate.

But that's not really the question y'all are debating.

I think the reason for disparity in sentencing is simple - economic ability to retain good counsel. Smollett fared pretty well, with his high dollar lawyers.

The arrest rates are what I was getting at when i said first I must be shown that crimes are committed proportionally to the demographics. I think that once again goes back to economics, and there is no denying that as a whole, blacks are poorer than whites. I lock my car doors when I go to parts of town where people are "economically disadvantaged". Nothing to do with race.

But it also goes back, as Owl69 has mentioned, to attitudes toward law and law enforcement. That is 100% on the black community. If their kids are taught that the police are racists out to kill them, and that blacks on the force are race traitors, that's their fault. BLM is doing a good job of perpetuating these attitudes with their campaign against police brutality.