(05-09-2019 12:22 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 12:11 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 11:00 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 04:48 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:22 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Come now. surely you have heard many among your candidates talk about nominating a POC or balancing the ticket with a POC. Which is the party that obsesses over "diversity"?
I guess you will just have to show me the college that black kids cannot get into, and the restaurant where black people cannot eat,and the job that says "No blacks need apply", and the "colored restrooms", and all those other manifestations of inequality. I remember those. I don't see them any more. Tell me that last time you saw a black person denied service.
Of course, there are individuals who may not be the most welcoming, for example this guy, but you cannot cleanse the minds of everybody, not without some pretty good re-education camps.

So you’re saying that the only kind of discrimination we need to worry about is the kind enshrined in law or institutionalized in an organization’s rules?

I think what he is saying is that discrimination enshrined in law or institutionalized in an organization’s rules is the only kind of discrimination that we can deal with through laws and organizational rules. Unless you want to institute the Thought Police.

Changing the rest has to come through long-term change in the hearts and minds of men and women. Thankfully, I think we are progressing in that direction, but we can't and won't get there instantaneously.

Your comment doesn't seem to conform with our legal system. Aren't there cases won all of the time for, say, hiring discrimination, not because the company had discriminatory rules written, but because they were discriminatory in how they actually handled hiring?

Someone can't just get out of a discrimination lawsuit by saying, "Well, in our handbook it says we won't discriminate based on a persons race." So, yes, we have laws that deal with the concept of "Thought Policing" as you put it, because we look at more than just the laws and organizational rules - we look at how people act. And we do that, because we can see that there are other types of insidious racism besides those codified in law or organizational rules.

Hypothetically, could a falafel shop legally have a written policy of serving Jews, but always turn away Jewish people whenever they wanted to order a falafel? Their organizational rule says that they serve Jews, but they don't do that in practice.

So what kind of discrimination do black people face these days? None in hiring, per above, none in service, per above. if this is such a problem these days, where is it?