(05-09-2019 01:59 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 01:45 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 01:31 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 01:16 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 12:57 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Should we take black people's word for it?

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/...rimination

"Almost all of the black people who responded — 92 percent — said they felt that discrimination against African-Americans exists in America today. At least half said they had personally experienced racial discrimination in being paid equally or promoted at work, when they applied for jobs or in their encounters with police."

If they faced real discrimination, then as Lad says, they have legal redress. But often it is just a matter of perception.

Officer Harris pulls me over. He is taciturn. Gives me a ticket. I drive away thinking, what an *******.

Ten minutes later, officer Harris pulls over a black motorist, He is taciturn. Gives him a ticket. The motorist pulls away, thinking what a racist. Another DWB ticket.

Bet he would be in the 92%.

You have made this point previously... that you don't think that the discrimination that black people say that they experience is "real"?

How does this account for the pitiful number of black CEO's of Fortune 500 companies? Or holding executive positions in general in most industries? How about when two equally qualified candidates apply for a home loan and the black candidate is much less likely to get the loan approved? Is this also all in their heads?

Proportionality is a bad benchmark. CEOs of fortune 500 companies largely started in the business decades ago. It is a result of cumulative effects. the numbers of black CEOs is growing. Check in again in 40 years.

Two equally qualified candidates...? Got an example?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/...story.html

"Fifty years after the federal Fair Housing Act banned racial discrimination in lending, African Americans and Latinos continue to be routinely denied conventional mortgage loans at rates far higher than their white counterparts.

This modern-day redlining persisted in 61 metro areas even when controlling for applicants' income, loan amount and neighborhood, according to millions of Home Mortgage Disclosure Act records analyzed by Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting.

The yearlong analysis, based on 31 million records, relied on techniques used by leading academics, the Federal Reserve and Department of Justice to identify lending disparities."

A couple of possibilities:

1. other factors. Generally, I see no advantage to the lenders in refusing loans to people of good credit who will likely pay back the loans fully and on time. So maybe there are other factors that make the lenders more fearful of bad loans.

2. Outright racism. Lenders in 61 areas all hate blacks. (Your choice, I am sure)

Can you think of any other possibilities?