(05-08-2019 09:45 AM)illiniowl Wrote:  

(05-07-2019 08:59 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-07-2019 08:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-07-2019 08:23 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  It’s clear that Northam did not “state he would execute a baby after birth,” as Trump claimed he did. However, his remarks did lack precision and clarity of meaning to the extent that they raised reasonable questions about what exactly he was proposing or advocating. For those reasons, we issue a verdict of “Mostly False.”

Umm, I'd say it's pretty clear that Northam stated precisely that. Sounds to me like you're not willing to defend that, and are looking for some way around it. Now, how much he or his staff backtracks from that position in subsequent questioning, and whether that was a misspeak or what he actually intended, are issues that we can discuss. But his direct quote was pretty much stating that he would execute a baby after birth. And I didn't see or hear much imprecision.

For the record, I'm pro-choice, with limitations. But my limitations would not allow anything remotely close to what Northam described in pretty direct words.

Of course I'm not willing to defend that! Who would defend the execution of viable babies??!?! Do you think that there is a doctor or nurse in the United States who would participate in killing a healthy newborn baby?

I think Northam got a question that he wasn't really prepared for and stumbled on his answer. Do I think that he supports the murder of newborn babies? God, no.

You mean now that Kermit Gosnell is behind bars?

Laws matter, and the specific words of laws matter. I don't give a flip what doctors like Northam say they would and wouldn't do. Bully for them, but all doctors are humans, and that means there are some flawed, unethical doctors. Accordingly, laws need to be drawn so as to prohibit that which must not be done, not leave it up to doctors who say "even if the law allowed for that, we wouldn't do it."

Not completely familiar with Gosnell's story but was he executing full-term, viable babies or was he killing babies in earlier trimesters who were felt to be viable outside the womb? Not that it makes a major difference but trying to figure out the details as it relates to the proposed legislation.

Can you really legislate monsters like this away? I look at arguments like you just made and I think, "Wait... I thought Republicans think gun laws are pointless because criminals won't obey the laws anyway?"