(03-28-2019 10:05 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-28-2019 09:18 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-28-2019 02:06 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  In any case, from the git-go, I disputed (a) that GW was 100% man-caused and that it was (b) 100% man-reversible. I made thye point that a few hundred years ago, if sea levels rose, people just moved the camp back a few feet, but now we had built up the coast, and the people who owned all that waterfront property in Miami and NY wanted their property protected, at somebody else's expense if possible. Looks like it is happening for them.

Of course, when I said these things, I was called all sorts of names, the nicest of which was climate change denier.

From NASA's website: "Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities."

OO... where do you fall on your GW not being 100% man-caused? Like mostly man-caused or mostly not-man-caused? I'm genuinely curious. It's hard to for me to fathom fighting the massive tide of climate scientists' near-consensus opinion.

Doesn't really matter.

I fall on the side of it not being 100% man-caused. Because if it is less than 100% man-caused it cannot be fully reversed by correcting men's actions. In any case, we cannot correct every human contribution anyway. So if, just picking a number out of the air, if GW is 80% man-caused, and we can correct/reverse 80% of that, ,8 x .8 = .64 corrected, then we are still going to get a warmer globe, just not as fast as if we did less. AND, if the globe is going to continue to warm despite our best efforts, best to prepare for a warmer globe.

So for percentages of man-cause AND man-correctable less than 100%, we are going to continue to warm.

I do not disagree that Earth is warming, as it has done many times in the past. I just do not believe there is any good reason to assume that man is 100% responsible. Even if that was so, I also do not think man can coorect 100% of his influence.

So, IMO, the Earth will continue to warm, despite our best efforts. let's get ready.

97%

glacial and interglacial periods

Glacial periods are caused by global cooling. Interglacial periods are caused by global warming. Duh. Been happening for eons. Maybe you and/or the 97% can present the evidence that it is NOT happening now. Because a determination that it is 100% due to man is also a determination that it is 0% nature.

I’m not sure why this matters. We’re clearly exacerbating the issue, so we should modify our behavior to reduce that. You wouldn’t tell a smoker going through chemo to keep smoking because sometimes people get cancer regardless of a smoking habit.

Also, almost all agreements, bills, etc that focus on cutting emissions to battle climate change also include a focus on climate adaptation, mitigation, etc. Even the Paris Climate Accord focuses on adaptation. So while you may not agree with the attempts to curtail emissions, it sounds like you support the mitigation efforts that have been proposed?