(02-08-2019 03:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 03:02 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I agree that the best way to help others is by increasing opportunity - that's why I think a federal job guarantee is a good idea, and some of the Green New Deal initiatives are great. Similar to the alphabet soup of admins in the 30s/40s, investing significant bucks into our own country would both provide more, technical/skilled jobs for people who are stuck in minimum wage jobs, as well as updating our crumbling infrastructure. Yet all I hear is derision about every part of the green new deal, it seems...

And there you have the difference between you and I.

I think the jobs should come from private industry, motivated by capitalism. You want them to come from government, a la the USSR.

You think the "investment" should come from government via tax money, I think the investment should come from private enterprise, investing in their own future.

What is it about capitalism that you guys are afraid of?

Yes, I deride most of this GND as unworkable pie in the sky. I have pointed out some of the difficulties in doing it. Maybe you should explain the ease with which we will revamp every building in America in 12 years or unionize every job. Maybe you can explain where all the infrastructure for the proposed rail system will come from without polluting even more.

This would be a difficult 100 year plan for a police state. Lenin tried it. A 12 year plan?

You once again demonstrate that liberals only care about the shining ideal, not the nitty gritty of how to get it done.

yes, I agree, utopia would be nice.

So, when you or your priestess can explain HOW, to achieve utopia, come on back.

That’s a horrible summary and a significant misunderstanding of my opinion.

This harkens to my comment earlier about how some on the right want unfettered capitalism, and given that you suggest the government investing in infrastructure is similar to advocating for the USSR, or that I’m afraid of capitalism, it seems like I’m not far off.