(11-01-2018 10:54 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(11-01-2018 10:41 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-01-2018 09:40 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(11-01-2018 09:25 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-01-2018 08:52 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  So I'm confused.

You're arguing that the current system is being defanged and/or rigged? Who is doing the defanging and rigging? The current Republican-controlled House? The current Republican-controlled Senate? The current Republican-controlled White House?

I think progressives would be in favor of increasing the number of immigration judges on the southern border so that asylum claims could be processed more quickly. Trump should be sending 5,000 of those down to the border, instead of troops. That would be a much better and more efficient use of resources.

Progressives would obstruct any of the 5,000 appointed by Trump. They would gladly accept 5,000 appointed by a Democrat.

Are you sure that there are 5,000 qualified judges standing around with nothing to do? Where did you learn this? Link?

I agree that more judges would unclog this pipeline. I would be glad to see same-day adjudication, as long as the Democrats are not concerned that that is too swift.

Real refugees I have no contention over. Refugees from war or pweswcution. But a lot of these 'refugees are coming from places no worse than inner city Chicago, and they end up in places like inner city Chicago. Who will pay? Why those rich whites in front of their TVs, that who. That's what happens to people who have no education, no skills, and don't speak the language. The harsh reality is that they will be trading one ghetto for another, a prospect you want to ignore. If you think inner city Chicago is free from gangs and violence, go live there. If refugees are just all those who have a dream of living in a better place, then once we start accepting them all, the favelas of Brazil will empty.

And of course, while they are sitting in those ghettos, they will be having American children and bringing across family members. Who benefits from that?

I never said we have 5,000 qualified judges standing around... But the lack of judges is not due to a lack of willing applicants, it's due to the lack of openings because of the cost of hire new judges. If the cost of sending 5,000 troops to the border, or building the wall, was transitioned to hiring new immigration judges, my guess is that there would be plenty of graduating lawyers willing to fill the role. I hear that law schools are producing more lawyers than can find work.

And I love the trope that all of these immigrants are coming and not contributing to society in any way and will just be leaching off of the system. I didn't realize that the illegal immigrants working in our agriculture and food industries were so lazy...

All or nothing with you, isn't it? If one guy can high jump 7', then they must all be the same?

Sheesh. And it is you guys who say we only see stereotypes.

If these people do not have the skills to find work in their own country, why do you assume they will readily find work here? Why do you assume they will be productive citizens?

and what about all the single women with children? Will they be working as welders next month?

We are getting the dregs. some of them will find work at the lowest levels and be glad of it. But others will not, and some will be only too happy to do nothing and live off the government.

You need to stop thinking of the immigrants as all being noble, all hard-working, all this or that. Think of the spectrum, and stop attributing the same features to the whole rainbow. That is just propaganda you are buying.

Why do you think people who could not find or hold work where they are will become productive, federal tax paying members of our society? A few will, most won't. Which ones do you Schumer et al will talk about? The few. Which ones will you and the rest of the base think are exemplars of the whole? The ones Schumer et al presents to you. I think you accept that kind of anecdotal evidence.

Aren't you doing the exact same thing you're telling me to stop?

You're painting with a broad brush. Can you actually back up the bolded claims with research outside of first hand knowledge? Anyone who takes Stats 101 knows the problem with letting first hand accounts paint the entire picture of a population (hint: the issue is a small sample size compared to the population as a whole).

On my end, I do not think every single illegal immigrant will be a good person who will contribute to society. But I think that most will. The CBO has even agreed with me:

Quote:A 2007 review of the academic literature by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office found that "over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_i...ted_States

It's because of all of the research from various organizations that I've heard of that I'm not scared of the "dregs" as you call them.

And to answer your question about why I expect people who can't find jobs in their home country to find one here, it's because our economy is much more developed and more robust than there's. In short, there are jobs to be filled here. I believe there are even so many jobs, that unemployment is at record lows!

I see. So, in your opinion, the more uneducated, unskilled, non Federal Income Tax paying possible criminals we let in, the better off the the country is? Well, then, why have any vetting or rejections at all? We would just be turning away money.
lLet them all in to make money for us. We'll be rich. If this many illegals are so profitable, then imagine how well we will be with 10X that number. Let in enough people who cannot read or write, we can balance the budget. The Lad Plan. Brilliant.

And the Make America Rich plan is already working, with two more caravans forming up to follow the first.

yes, there are some jobs, here, and some of those jobs can be filled with people who are uneducated and unskilled. Just drove through McDonald's and met one. Nice lady, but I doubt she can ever advance beyond the $8.50/hr job she has now. We conversed in spanish, since she has little English. Been here 9 years now.

But most jobs require more than a pulse. They require skills, and /or experience, and/or education, and/or the ability to speak English. Can a third grade dropout from a small village with no experience do the job you do? I have met illegals who had no experience with telephones or flush toilets. I have met illegals who could not sign their name. I have met an illegal whose previous home was a cave. What contributions to you expect from these dregs? Yes, I use dregs - the bottom of the barrel. The top and the middle are not in these caravans, nor are they in the people packed into the back of a truck or swimming the river. The top has money, the middle has comfort. Damn few, if any, engineers or dentists on that or any other caravan.

But if as you say, they make money for us, let in millions more. A hundred million more, and we shall have a really fine country.

But if you draw a line at all, you have to tell us why you draw the line there, and not here.