(11-01-2018 09:25 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-01-2018 08:52 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(11-01-2018 08:33 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The uproar isnt about the caravans. It is about the methodology that is being taught to game the system to avoid 'instant' deportation in the short term, and 'long term' avoidance of the same.

The 'asylum' angle is being abused to achieve the former and help with the latter.

The caravans are a result (in a macro sense), in part, of the knowledge of the ways to game the system.

Again, you miss the point.

The more a system is gamed to rig the outcome and defang any enforcement of a rule, the more people will be emboldened to use that 'game' and violate that in-place rule or law. The caravan(s) are the result of this. The less a legal system is actually enforced, the more will not adhere to that legal system. That is the aim isnt it? Abolish ICE, make sure 90 per cent of asylum claimers get the free extended stay, catch and release. All geared to the same end result by some.

As for your question of 'we should'.... I kind of outlined a methodology above that would keep valid asylum seekers and deport the remainder. The asylum process needs to be changed to make it both immensely more difficult, and much easier to 'on the spot' weed out people for the horrid, depraved 6am bus to Reynosa (the sheer horror.....) But, as with every issue involved with actual enforcement of illegal immigration, I am sure the progs would litigate any step to an actual enforcement of a border to death and beyond.

So I'm confused.

You're arguing that the current system is being defanged and/or rigged? Who is doing the defanging and rigging? The current Republican-controlled House? The current Republican-controlled Senate? The current Republican-controlled White House?

I think progressives would be in favor of increasing the number of immigration judges on the southern border so that asylum claims could be processed more quickly. Trump should be sending 5,000 of those down to the border, instead of troops. That would be a much better and more efficient use of resources.

Progressives would obstruct any of the 5,000 appointed by Trump. They would gladly accept 5,000 appointed by a Democrat.

Are you sure that there are 5,000 qualified judges standing around with nothing to do? Where did you learn this? Link?

I agree that more judges would unclog this pipeline. I would be glad to see same-day adjudication, as long as the Democrats are not concerned that that is too swift.

Real refugees I have no contention over. Refugees from war or pweswcution. But a lot of these 'refugees are coming from places no worse than inner city Chicago, and they end up in places like inner city Chicago. Who will pay? Why those rich whites in front of their TVs, that who. That's what happens to people who have no education, no skills, and don't speak the language. The harsh reality is that they will be trading one ghetto for another, a prospect you want to ignore. If you think inner city Chicago is free from gangs and violence, go live there. If refugees are just all those who have a dream of living in a better place, then once we start accepting them all, the favelas of Brazil will empty.

And of course, while they are sitting in those ghettos, they will be having American children and bringing across family members. Who benefits from that?

I never said we have 5,000 qualified judges standing around... But the lack of judges is not due to a lack of willing applicants, it's due to the lack of openings because of the cost of hire new judges. If the cost of sending 5,000 troops to the border, or building the wall, was transitioned to hiring new immigration judges, my guess is that there would be plenty of graduating lawyers willing to fill the role. I hear that law schools are producing more lawyers than can find work.

And I love the trope that all of these immigrants are coming and not contributing to society in any way and will just be leaching off of the system. I didn't realize that the illegal immigrants working in our agriculture and food industries were so lazy...