(10-26-2018 11:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 11:02 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  We were focusing on civility, which is why I brought up Beto. A hallmark of his campaign has been trying to be civil and encourage others to do so (you'd be a rich man if you had a nickle every time he said something along the lines of "reasonable people can disagree with that"). I'm not trying to convince you to vote for Beto - as you said his political beliefs do not align with yours. But it's clear that he's been much more genuine about practicing what he preaches with regards to civility and respecting those with differing view points.
And to the first, admittedly trivial point, I find it shocking that you, out of the blue, and with no intention to ask me or respond to my post, happened to ask a generic question for anyone to answer. Yet your comment not only directly addressed me, but also directly referenced the post I made that was immediately above yours (I do not see any recent posts where anyone brought up the "Lock XXXX Up" chants).
To indulge in your comment, I don't think it equates to a call for violence. That's why I didn't suggest it did, and why I said it was an example of Trump not practicing what he was preaching.

OK, first, I view elections for representative bodies as hiring a proxy to vote for me. All I really care about is whether the person is going to vote the way I want him/her to vote. If it's an executive position, the other things matter. But for a senator or representative, how he/she will vote is about 99 and 44/100 percent of my decision. Am I confident that Ted Cruz will vote the way I want him to? Absolutely not, in fact I'm quite sure there are issues where he will vote the opposite of what I want. But that's maybe 5-10% of the time. With O'Rourke, I'm guessing more like 90-95%. I'm not going to hire someone who is going to do what I don't want done 95% of the time.

So you find out shocking that I would ask a generic question? Really? It's certainly not my first time to do it, and I'm pretty sure it won't be the last. So you've been warned, try not to be shocked next time.

As far as civility, I don't find lying to be civil, particular lying about something like being bipartisan when the record reflects otherwise. I think O'Rourke has run a campaign based on fluff and dishonesty.

As for your comment that Trump's uncivil comments do not amount to a call for violence, thank you. That's all I was looking for with my question. See how easy that was? I agree with you, but there seem to be a lot of talking heads who don't. That was the point of my question.

I understand why you wouldn't vote for Beto, I'm not trying to pitch you to him as a candidate that you would vote for. I'm trying to pitch that he has the temperament that we seem to be missing these days. You asked where were the politicians that acted civil, and I provided a good example. Beto regularly talks to his audiences about the need to listen to the other side of an argument and those on the other side of the political spectrum. I find that commendable, do you?

And there is certainly a huge gap in civility between your claim that Beto is lying and that's uncivil and my claim that Trump encouraging people to cheer for the jailing of a political opponent for no reason is uncivil. Suggesting those are in the same category is like suggesting telling your friend the new piece of art they bought is nice and telling the police your friend was at your home when you knew he was out committing a crime are lies that are in the same category.