(07-22-2018 06:49 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 06:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 05:44 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Can you fill me in on the lies that you’ve read in the FISA app? I’m not clued into that apparently. If there is information used in the FISA app that has proven to be false, and was known to be false st the time, that changes things and is a big issue. As you said, a judge is assuming that the applicants are being forthright.

As I understand it, the question whether anything has subsequently been proved false is irrelevant. The FISA court proceeding is an ex party proceeding. The intended target is not represented. So there is no party to challenge any evidence or submit contrary evidence. That means that all evidence produced by the moving party has to be absolutely true, at least beyond reasonable doubt, at the time it is presented to the court. Anything that is subsequently been proved true, and obviously anything that is subsequently proved false, is inadmissible, and a warrant supported by any such evidence is void, and any fruit of the poisoned tree is poisoned.

I’m confused - why is it irrelevant if something has been proven false? It would show that those who submitted a warrant application did some with evidence they either knew was false at the time or didn’t know was true, beyond a reasonable doubt, at the time.

It would seem to be that finding out that any part of the warrant was untrue after the fact would be huge, and it would need to be determined what knowledge that applicant had at the time.