(07-18-2018 02:39 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 10:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I think Lad does not understand the meaning of "collusion"

So here it is:

col·lu·sion
[k uh- loo-zh uhn]

NOUN
1.
a secret agreement, especially for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him.
2.
Law. a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement: collusion of husband and wife to obtain a divorce.

Now somebody explain to me how the TT meeting in any way matches any part of the definition.

It could easily fit the definition if there was a quid pro quo. We should not fully trust the testimony of either party, as they have reason to lie about it. And they have already shown that they are willing to lie about the reason for the meeting - when it was made public, Trump Jr was not immediately forthcoming about the reason for the meeting and tried to hide what was discussed.

Over a year ago, and many times since, I have asked collusion conspiracy theorists what the quid pro quo was. Who offered what in return for what?

It seems that many of them think Trump asked Putin to steal (they were already stolen) the emails and publish them without change or editing. Why he would ask that is beyond me. How are emails about nothing going to change the election? Nobody alleges that the emails changed any votes, and certainly not any electoral votes, so why would Trump want that?

As for what was offered for this mess of magic beans, I have heard withdrawal of sanctions more often than anything else. When did that happen?

We appear to be missing both a quid and a quo. so where is the collusion? It takes two or more working toward a common goal to make collusion. If the common goal was to give Democrats a chance to look silly, I guess I colluded too.

Nobody doubts that Russians did what they could to "meddle". The collusion theory is what is under attack.

And along the lines of meddling, what current meddling would give the Russians the most disarray and gridlock in american politics, which is what they want? Why meddling on behalf of the Democrats, of course. More Democrats, more chaos. Look for the meddling to reverse polarity this year.