(04-13-2018 09:31 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 09:22 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 09:14 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwlStill Wrote:  Regarding "under oath" - earlier in this thread the idea that Mueller might charge people for lying under oath/perjury has been dismissed as not a "real" crime. And that would at least be for lying about something related to the investigation.

So which is it?

Having said that, I will be surprised if that's all that comes out of this. It would ironic if there is no "there" there and the only reason it's gone on this long is because Trump keeps acting like he's trying to cover up something. To paraphrase one of his own supporters, "if you are innocent, act like it."

Why do you say he is acting like he is trying to cover up something? His reactions seem perfectly normal to me for somebody being persecuted by a government cabal.

I think the only reason it has gone on this long is that the investigators need something to show for their time. Collusion has long been abandoned.

OK, so the Democratic position is that perjury is OK. Let's dismiss all those changes of lying to investigators.

I have said there will be no collusion shown - the ostensible reason for this investigation - but a lot of "little" indictments for minor things. By minor things, I mean unrelated to the collusion accusation. I am sure they are not minor to the guys accused. But it's like charging a guy with treason, then convicting his brother of jaywalking.

No, the Dem position isn't that perjury is OK. When has any liberal on this board suggested that? The accusation levied by Tanq was that it wasn't included in a post.

You seem to be dancing away from the fact that you agree that Clinton messed up by lying underoath, yet you kick and scream about how the Trump investigation is just a perjury trap and that perjury in this case isn't a big issue.

Clinton should have been held accountable for lying under oath back in the day - I've said it before, I wasn't around back then, so I'm not really sure why he wasn't. If the only thing that comes from this investigation are perjury charges against Trump, I imagine you'll see a different outcome. And that's where I'll agree with y'all that it would be due to the emotions he has generated in/outside of DC.

But we'll have to wait and see about how serious any charges are.

If perjury charges are what they are seeking, it would make sense for him to avoid testifying. That is where Bill made his mistake.

Nice use of the word "dancing".

But you mis-characterize my position. This is an investigation into collusion and treason, not perjury. all the indictments and the indictments to come are relatively minor. It's as if a murder investigation resulted in an indictment for tax evasion. Is tax evasion OK? No. Is it a minor thing compared to murder? IMO, yes. All these relatively minor indictments are just consolation prizes for not finding collusion.