(03-03-2018 10:54 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

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(03-03-2018 11:28 AM)mrbig Wrote:  I have a strong presence for good beer over white wine. Please refer to me as a craft-beer swilling progressive, henceforth.

The 1/4 Native American part of me laughs at the idea that any white man (including the other 3/4 of myself) complains of “illegal” immigration.

I take it you do not believe that one of the fundamental aspects, rights, and duties of any sovereign is the control and determination of issues relating to its own borders and passage thereof?

And, sorry that your 1/4 is mad about the issue of 'illegal' immigration. Do you share the same sympathy for Scots, or Northern Irish? Sorry but I do not. Using your logic one should be pissed off that modern Scotland engages in the practices of the United Kingdom in immigration policy, especially when Britain engaged in that union through force of arms.

Nor am I pissed that modern Nicaragua has their own inedependt immigration policy aside from the deposed Sandinistas, or the preceding Somoza regime that was toppled by the Sandinistas.

I wonder who authorized the progenitors of “Native Americans” to come to the Americas - or any of the subsequent migrations within the Americas that occurred in the millennia before 1500?

Often, in these discussions, instead of "Native Americans" I use the phrase "Earliest Immigrants". There were no humans in the Western Hemisphere until about 11,000 years ago.

Sure, but the immigration from Asia was not a single wave. By definition, all waves after the first we’re not “Earliest Immigrants”? Are these later waves invaders/ oppressors/ colonizers, or do they too count as virtuous - and if so, why?

And within The Americas (as on every continent) there have been waves of migration over many milllennia in which one group has displaced another. Are all of those waves evil, or is it only post- Medieval Europeans who are evil?