(02-22-2018 04:05 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 11:58 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwlStill Wrote:  However, to me there’s s difference between a person who when asked says they personally oppose gay marriage and someone who makes it a litmus test issue, which is what we were discussing. People to whom it’s so important to deny people they don’t know the right to marry that they are willing to overlook so many other violations of their supposed moral standards – mocking the disabled, attacking gold star families, bragging about sexual assault, affairs with porn stars and playmates, lewd sexist and misogynistic comments, weird sexual comments about his own daughter and random pre-pubescent girls, bragging about the size of his genitals in a presidential debate, and on and on. They are willing to swallow all that just to prevent a gay couple somewhere from having a legally sanctioned marriage. To me that seems more like hate.

To me it seems like a massive assumption about what their supposed moral standards are, plus the equating of a large number of things which can for a number of reasons be not remotely equal...

As an example, I would 'think less morally' of someone who makes 'bad comments' or has affairs etc, but unless those comments become legislation, I don't really care as much as I would about legislation.

Also many of those who WOULD equate them would have had trouble picking between Trump and Clinton as both were tainted based solely on that, so the decisions were made based on issues OTHER than that.

As an example... I'm socially quite liberal, but I put up with social conservatives because I don't think the government can really change how people feel or act, especially when those beliefs are increasingly popular... which is also why I support fiscal conservatism because I don't think the government can keep the wealthy from trying to avoid taxes.

I think the “bad comments” made about me by Clinton and other leading Democrats ( and a lot os smaller fish) just heightened my resolve to never, never, never, never vote for Hillary, no matter the opposition. didn’t mean I had to vote for Trump, nor did I, but for those trying to present him as a bad choice, he was not the choice - he was the alternative to a bad choice.

I actually like Trump better now that I did on Election Day, despite the barrage of negative crap, some self-inflicted, some made it by his enemies. I think the whole collusion myth is a witch hunt, and I think if we had had a Mueller investigating the Obama campaign and Administration in 2009, we would have had just as many indictments for lying to the FBI, etc. as now. But I am not going to get on my moral high horse about things he did years ago, or thing slanted in a bad light by an antagonistic media.