(12-13-2017 10:03 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Well, Jaao, I am old enough to be your father. In fact, I have two sons older than you. I remember when all this came about. I would suggest that you and baker-13 bone up on your history before you start throwing this around.

The only way Kennedy avoided some sort of felony manslaughter or negligent homicide was through his political contacts. Nothing else can describe it. he drove off a bridge. he swam to safety. he called his political advisors first, and the police were not notified until until nine hours later, too later to test his blood alcohol. Ask yourself if you would get off so lightly in those circumstances.

I repeat for the peanut gallery (another time-dated reference) - a woman died. In no other incident discussed here was a woman killed. That alone elevates it above all the others.

True, it killed his presidential chances, which were looking pretty good until he killed her. But he was able to enjoy a long Senate career, and was memorialized as the "Lion of the Senate" upon his death. Who memorialized him?

Baker, it is not right to compare dismissing an easily replaced Senator with a President. Franken will replaced by another Democrat, and Schumer will continue to cast 46 votes (now 47) as a bloc, and when the next election in Minnesota is held, a Democrat will win the seat, and nothing changes. BFD. Easy for Democrats to be against Franken. besides, he confessed, sort of, and apologized, sort of. There was a picture.

More properly, you should compare Trump to Bill Clinton. President to President. Bill was way more visibly guilty of what he was charged with (perjury and obstruction of justice), but it was the Democrats in the Senate voting party who kept him from being removed.

I don't know if Trump did the things he was accused of. I don't like Trump. I don't like some of the things he is trying to do. he is an ass. But comparing him to Franken is apples and oranges.

They're closer together than Trump and Kennedy, if for no other reason than the way society thinks about the way powerful men have treated women has changed in the past 50 years.

My only point was that responses to Chappaquiddick vs Nixon was roughly on par with responses to Franken vs Trump. Nothing more, nothing less.

The fact that we're having this conversation seems to bear that out.