(10-30-2017 10:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:47 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:31 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Who do you think was the ultimate payee for sourcing the dossier? A Sri Lankan perhaps?

Hmmmm..... lets think about this..... Steele == British intelligence with good contacts to Russian counterparts. Dossier filled to the brim with issues on Russian soil. Things that had to be 'verified' by people that had the supposed means to verify on the ground in Russia.

Yep, must be that Steele *had* to pay Sri Lankans to get all that stuff kind of inherently tied to the exact stuff that Russian spooks would do. Sri Lankans are the *best* at doing what Russian intelligence does on a daily basis.

Put your thinking cap on Lad. Do you really think Steele played junior G-man and originally sourced all this stuff himself? You cannot be that naive.

It is crystal clear that the DNC, in essence, in the end paid or solicited Russians for the info. Albeit with a number of cutouts. Nothing acts like a good cutout like a politically connected law firm and political information farm added to boot.

Lad -- each campaign interacted with foreign nationals for 'dirt'. More than likely, the DNC through its agents engaged Russians themselves in the end to supply 'dirt' (i.e. the dossier). Each campaign did pretty much the same exact actions (tried to get dirt from foreign nationals, most likely each supplier was Russians in the end), for the same exact end. One was smart enough to put more than one strawman/cutout in the middle of the transaction (or in case of Trump, attempted transaction instead of ostensibly completed transaction).

But progressives seem to bend over backwards to ignore the equivalent mess sitting on their side of the fing pigsty that is the Fusion dossier.

For someone complaining about others jumping through hoops, it appears like you're doing the same to get so worked up about the DNC. You're making a lot of assumptions about what happened after the Washington Free Beacon stopped funding Fusion GPS, and pretty much jumping through the same hoops to make a big deal out of it that you're chastising progressives for jumping through to brush it off.

I guess you think that Steele was junior G-Man and sourced all that on his own. Im just using common sense of what it would take to compile the dossier. I guess if you think the road ends at Steele, you are more than entitled to think that. Doesnt make much real world sense, but you are certainly entitled.

Quote:If it comes out that there is legitimate suspicion that the DNC compiled the oppo research with the goal to use it to take down the Trump presidency via misinformation, then I'll want to know more.

Why else pay craploads of money for a dossier if not to either use it as a gotcha pre-election or a gotcha-post election.

Or, I guess you can think that the DNC okayed close to a million dollars outlay with no idea in the slightest what they were getting out, at any stage of the project. Again, you can certainly believe that.

Quote:So far, there isn't anything that fishy about the Steele dossier in terms of the ulterior motives. Can you provide some?

I guess you are right. Russians would have no ulterior motive in the slightest to have the dossier used. In the slightest. What am I thinking....

Actually, since it was fairly apparently sourced with Russian intelligence, that is a small clue there. But Russian intelligence would *never* bait a disinformation campaign in order to attempt to destabilize a western election, would they? But I am sure that the dossier was promoted and run out of the pureness of the Putin heart to help lil' ol' Hillary.

No offense Lad, but the somewhat apparent sourcing of the dossier material by itself kind of qualifies as 'fishy'. But I guess not to some.

Quote:But in the end, I'm not really sure why you care about the connection to the dossier so much.

As an example that Trump *and* the DNC were pursuing the same types of information from the same people. But heavens to betsy, how dare I state that about the pure as heart poor little downtrodden Hillary team.

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From all of the information that is available, the dossier being created is not what led to the initiation of the investigation that Mueller is leading.

Cut the strawman. I dont think I have ever claimed that. Just pointing out the pigsty mud with Russians and oppo research covers both sides really thickly.

Quote:It was the hacking of the DNC that did it, and then all of the Trump team's screw ups and lies afterwards that caused it to become so serious.

As opposed to Team Hillary deciding in 24 hours to pin the blame on Russia. Do tell Lad, how determinative was the 'hacking'? From the liberal side, it seems a 'but for' war chant these days.

Quote:And it comes down to this, I guess. Are you just concerned that the Trump/Russia investigation may devolve and expand its scope? Do you believe there is no basis for the investigation? Are you mad that Clinton is not being investigated for something you perceive to be the same? Or what? I can't really tell what your stance it as the moment, aside from yelling about progressives being shi**y.

I am being excrutiatingly explicit, and have been. The Democrats are as knee deep in foreign oppo research based from Russia as Team Trump. The Democrats were far more knee deep in using US intelligence as a political tool. But Shrillary has made sure that the bugaboo is Trump's to bear solely. But those who shrill the loudest about Trump seem to never, ever, look at anything that might have been coming from their side of the fence, do they?

As for the investigation -- investigate deep and hard. Look at both sides. Look at the supposed Trump collusion. But, at the same time, look into the dossier crap *and* the fing weaponization of the NSA by the Obama administration.
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You missed a key word in one of my responses, and it is the key word that it seems your whole opinion relies on. I've bolded it for you.

It seems as if your theory hinges on the information in the Steele dossier being totally fabricated, that the information was planted by Russians, and that the DNC knew that and wanted to use what they knew was false information to push a narrative.

So that means that Steele was directed to turn the dossier, full of fake info, over to the FBI, and that he was directed to do that by the DNC. It also means that the intelligence community, which found the dossier credible enough to brief Congress on it, was also in on the disinformation game.

If there is actual evidence of that any of that, then yeah boy, sound the alarm as loud as the one sounded for Trump. But so far, the dossier does not seem to be the nefarious act of oppo research you seem to suggest it is.

I would have no problem, opening an investigation into the dossier, because there have been a number of intersecting characters and people denying their involvement in it. But I am not as concerned about it as am I about the Trump campaign.

But what gets you so angry about this? You say you've been clear, but it isn't clear to me. You seem REALLY pissed off by this.